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Jazz's 3-Point Shooting Philosophy.

zman1527 said:
Its the tradition of Ol' Jer, who thought the 3 ball was a commie plot to steal our precious bodily fluids.
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...lots of truth to that statement! Having Stockton and Malone certainly worked against taking alot of 3 pointers, but we don't have that combo no more and never will again! Shooters who can actually score are very important in todays NBA.....look at the Spurs! I don't think they ever have anybody on the court, with maybe the exception of Blair that can't hit a 17 footer consistently! That's why they are so effective and are going to be the next NBA champions!
 
I've never seen a consistently successful NBA team base their offense around the 3-pointer. What you do is implement sets that get you high-percentage looks at the basket and create the spacing and floor-balance so when defenses start helpingthen you can make them pay.

Perhaps I was watching a different Utah Jazz team, but from 2007-2010 much of Utah's oustanding offensive efficiency was based off the spacing that their ability to hit the 3pt generated - particularly in late-game situations. First Memo and then the aquisition of Korver really opened up the offense - and both sides fed off each other, the shooters created spacing for Deron/Boozer and Deron/Boozer created open looks for the shooters.

A free-flowing motion pick&roll offense with shooters from all spots could be used to describe the Spurs - if you have Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Greg Popavich, but it could also be used to describe any Don Nelson or Mike D'Antoni team as well.
You'll be more successful if you have players/system that consistently gets you high percentage looks at the basket with subpar 3pt shooting on the perimeter, than excellent 3pt shooting and nothing of substance inside the arc. If 3pt shooting was the cure-all that it's being made out to be, the Orlando Magic would've won a title by now.
 
vslice02 said:
I've never seen a consistently successful NBA team base their offense around the 3-pointer. What you do is implement sets that get you high-percentage looks at the basket and create the spacing and floor-balance so when defenses start helpingthen you can make them pay.

Perhaps I was watching a different Utah Jazz team, but from 2007-2010 much of Utah's oustanding offensive efficiency was based off the spacing that their ability to hit the 3pt generated - particularly in late-game situations. First Memo and then the aquisition of Korver really opened up the offense - and both sides fed off each other, the shooters created spacing for Deron/Boozer and Deron/Boozer created open looks for the shooters.

A free-flowing motion pick&roll offense with shooters from all spots could be used to describe the Spurs - if you have Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Greg Popavich, but it could also be used to describe any Don Nelson or Mike D'Antoni team as well.
You'll be more successful if you have players/system that consistently gets you high percentage looks at the basket with subpar 3pt shooting on the perimeter, than excellent 3pt shooting and nothing of substance inside the arc. If 3pt shooting was the cure-all that it's being made out to be, the Orlando Magic would've won a title by now.
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Well, it got the Magic to the Finals where they simply lost to a supremely talented Lakers' team.
 
vslice02 said:
I've never seen a consistently successful NBA team base their offense around the 3-pointer. What you do is implement sets that get you high-percentage looks at the basket and create the spacing and floor-balance so when defenses start helpingthen you can make them pay.

Perhaps I was watching a different Utah Jazz team, but from 2007-2010 much of Utah's oustanding offensive efficiency was based off the spacing that their ability to hit the 3pt generated - particularly in late-game situations. First Memo and then the aquisition of Korver really opened up the offense - and both sides fed off each other, the shooters created spacing for Deron/Boozer and Deron/Boozer created open looks for the shooters.

A free-flowing motion pick&roll offense with shooters from all spots could be used to describe the Spurs - if you have Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Greg Popavich, but it could also be used to describe any Don Nelson or Mike D'Antoni team as well.
You'll be more successful if you have players/system that consistently gets you high percentage looks at the basket with subpar 3pt shooting on the perimeter, than excellent 3pt shooting and nothing of substance inside the arc. If 3pt shooting was the cure-all that it's being made out to be, the Orlando Magic would've won a title by now.
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I agree with much of this. I don't think most people want us to put that much emphasis on the three. You must be able to score in the paint to be successful--whether that means great penetration or bigs. However, you must have some of three options: 1) tremendous shooters as a backup/safety net (limited integration in the offense; this would be the Jazz with good shooters), 2) a tremendous & disciplined offensive scheme (this is what sets apart Nelson, Popovich, and D'Antoni from one another), or 3) both. Add great paint production and defense and you're a contender. The Jazz have none of the above and thus are not as effective as they could be.
 
vslice02 said:
I've never seen a consistently successful NBA team base their offense around the 3-pointer. What you do is implement sets that get you high-percentage looks at the basket and create the spacing and floor-balance so when defenses start helpingthen you can make them pay.

Perhaps I was watching a different Utah Jazz team, but from 2007-2010 much of Utah's oustanding offensive efficiency was based off the spacing that their ability to hit the 3pt generated - particularly in late-game situations. First Memo and then the aquisition of Korver really opened up the offense - and both sides fed off each other, the shooters created spacing for Deron/Boozer and Deron/Boozer created open looks for the shooters.

A free-flowing motion pick&roll offense with shooters from all spots could be used to describe the Spurs - if you have Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Greg Popavich, but it could also be used to describe any Don Nelson or Mike D'Antoni team as well.
You'll be more successful if you have players/system that consistently gets you high percentage looks at the basket with subpar 3pt shooting on the perimeter, than excellent 3pt shooting and nothing of substance inside the arc. If 3pt shooting was the cure-all that it's being made out to be, the Orlando Magic would've won a title by now.
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Do you think we all want to jettison all our bigs and go 3-ball crazy? No, but we do not want to ignore the fact that is a serious weapon that the Jazz do not have enough of. They have to value shooting more in player selection, they just pick up too many guys that cannot shoot. Then the intelligently coached teams, Spurs, can just pack it in the paint and make Big Al and Sap non-factors, while watching the jazz hoist brick from outside.
 
I expect to see more of a design to shoot 3's next year personally, even with Al back. But I think we're limited by 2 factors: 1) We don't have any shooters (durr); 2) Harris is not a drive and kick guy. In fact, once Harris squares to the rim, the only pass he's making is down low, and even that's rare. I'm not really knocking Harris, but he's not a vision guy. He's a speed and drive guy, takes the occasional shot off the PnR. Like a ridiculously impoverished Westbrook.
 
northeast said:
I'd say that most of the top teams of the last 20 years emphasized the 3 more than the teams they beat.
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It seems to work for the Spurs, eh? Funny how that opens up the middle for them for Parker and Duncan. Isn't that amazing? While the Jazz try to score down low with all 10 players within 2 feet of the key.

But its sure a good thing that our coach learned all he knows from Ol' Jer and his 1950's basketball.
 
billyshelby said:
I expect to see more of a design to shoot 3's next year personally, even with Al back. But I think we're limited by 2 factors: 1) We don't have any shooters (durr); 2) Harris is not a drive and kick guy. In fact, once Harris squares to the rim, the only pass he's making is down low, and even that's rare. I'm not really knocking Harris, but he's not a vision guy. He's a speed and drive guy, takes the occasional shot off the PnR. Like a ridiculously impoverished Westbrook.
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I would definitely knock Harris for that. He is one of the worst PG in the league at being able to pass while driving the lane. He just goes full tilt for the hoop, little control and can do nothing else that way except shoot. So his lane penetration ability is way less valuable than with most other PG. He needs to go.
 
Kevin O’Connor on the Jazz’s most pressing need this off-season: (7-second pause) I would say shooting, but that comes at a premium first of all. And the second thing is, as you get into the Playoffs, there’s a lot of guys that are really good shooters that can’t get a shot in the Playoffs. So you gotta look at that situation and say, “How do I get people that can be able to stretch the defense* but also be able to play the other end and hopefully also be able to move and get open?”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfoeAnMMfsQ
 
I'll bet the Spurs could pick a half dozen guys from the Jazz squad and have 4 or 5 of them shooting 38% from 3 within 6 months, ( and one of the 6 would be Kanter. )
 
northeast said:
I'll bet the Spurs could pick a half dozen guys from the Jazz squad and have 4 or 5 of them shooting 38% from 3 within 6 months, ( and one of the 6 would be Kanter. )
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We agree on that.

Being a good shooting team is simply a matter of organizational commitment. The Jazz aren't.
 
zman1527 said:
I would definitely knock Harris for that. He is one of the worst PG in the league at being able to pass while driving the lane. He just goes full tilt for the hoop, little control and can do nothing else that way except shoot. So his lane penetration ability is way less valuable than with most other PG. He needs to go.
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I'm just saying you can't ask a guy to do something he's not capable of. Harris is not the longterm answer, but if he's around next year I wouldn't design drive and kick plays for him. He can't do it. What we could do, though, is scrap some of the flex cuts and have a wing consistently rotated out to the far corners like the Spurs do (and a lot of teams, really). That would simplify Harris' reads and, of course, add the highest percentage 3 point shot in the game to the offense.
 
northeast said:
Their 3 stars make things easier too.
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The thing that makes it easy is that they usually have 2 knock down shooters teams have to close out on, so they can insert a 3rd guy who isn't a great shooter, but can knock down a decent % if open. If we gave them our wing players for their wing players (and took away Bonner and Diaw) they would have a much harder time spacing the floor.
 
northeast said:
Their 3 stars make things easier too.
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They spent most of this season with Duncan missing entire games to rest and playing restricted minutes and Ginobili missing half the season. It's way more than that, though those players have helped them build something more than a collection of players.
 
I think if we gave them our squad , and took theirs, except letting them keeps their 3 stars,
then Parker and Ginobli and Duncun and the Spurs system, coaches and reputation would transform several of the former Jazz guys we sent them into knock down 3 point shooters
 
NUMBERICA said:
They spent most of this season with Duncan missing entire games to rest and playing restricted minutes and Ginobili missing half the season. It's way more than that, though those players have helped them build something more than a collection of players.
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I think a big part is the stretch 4. Keeping an opposing team's big man on the outside makes it much harder for rotations to happen because big men aren't as accustomed to contesting 3's. I think we saw a lot of benefits of that when we had Okur.
 
northeast said:
I think if we gave them our squad , and took theirs, except letting them keeps their 3 stars,
then Parker and Ginobli and Duncun and the Spurs system, coaches and reputation would transform several of the former Jazz guys we sent them into knock down 3 point shooters
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Depends on which Hayward they get.
 
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