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I think Jimmer will be a useful player. He can move the ball, pass it and shoot it from the wing. He can be a good facilitator and kick-out guy. You'd be surprised how few players can actually do that consistently.

He'll give up some points though.
 
N.B.A. Scouting Report on Fredette: Good but Not Great
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Jimmer Fredette, the nation's leading scorer at 28.8 points a game, led B.Y.U. into the Round of 16 after forgoing last year's N.B.A. draft.

By PETE THAMEL

Published: March 23, 2011





NEW ORLEANS — From conjuring up memories of Pete Maravich with his scoring binges to carrying Brigham Young to its first N.C.A.A. tournament Round of 16 since 1981, Jimmer Fredette has put together one of the most remarkable college basketball seasons of this generation.

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Fredette, a 6-foot-2 shooting guard, has secured his legacy at Brigham Young, but questions remain on how his game will translate in the N.B.A.



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Fredette has improved his stock enough this season to be considered a mid-first round N.B.A. draft choice.

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Bulls guard Steve Kerr, a player whom Brigham Young's Jimmer Fredette has been compared with, pulling up for a jump shot in 1996.


Fredette, a 6-foot-2 shooting guard, has a chance to lead the Cougars even deeper into the tournament on Thursday night when third-seeded B.Y.U. faces No. 2 Florida in a Southeast Region semifinal. And while Fredette’s legacy at B.Y.U. is secure, one of the biggest questions hovering over him is how his game will translate to the N.B.A.
Interviews with a half-dozen N.B.A. scouts and front-office personnel provide a portrait of Fredette as a professional prospect. He is generally considered offensively gifted, defensively challenged and destined to be a solid rotation player in the N.B.A.
Stardom, however, is unlikely, the scouts and front-office personnel said. Comparative players that came up were Jeff Hornacek, Steve Kerr, Kyle Korver and Jason Kapono.
“I think he’ll be a really good pro, but not great,” said a Western Conference executive, who would not be named because he is not permitted to talk about prospects. “He’ll be a guy who is a better Steve Kerr, a better Kyle Korver. A better Kapono. Both those guys can’t put the ball on the floor.”
Fredette leads the nation in scoring this season at 28.8 points a game. He averaged more than 4 points a game more than the No. 2 scorer, Marshon Brooks of Providence.
But Fredette’s approach to defense is a cause for concern, N.B.A. personnel said, because he appears to put in little effort so he can stay out of foul trouble and conserve energy for offense.
Dave Rice, a B.Y.U. assistant, said some of Fredette’s defensive deficiencies were by design.
“A lot of that is really on us,” Rice said. “We expect so much of him on the offensive end. We can’t afford to have him in foul trouble. He’s a much, much better defensive player than he’s given credit for. A lot of that is part of our game plan.”
An Eastern Conference personnel director said that much of Fredette’s success in the N.B.A. could be predicated by what team he ends up on. He might flourish in a system like those of the Knicks, the Phoenix Suns or the Golden State Warriors, where the emphasis is on offense and scoring. A team like the San Antonio Spurs would likely not be as good a fit.
“I think he will translate fine as a pure shooter,” the personnel director said. He added: “He will need to go to a team that is either stacked with good defenders or a team that doesn’t emphasize defense. For as sharp a shooter as he is, he’s just as bad of a defender.”
Fredette declared for the N.B.A. draft last year and worked out for four teams before deciding to return for his senior year. He was projected as a fringe first-round pick and may have improved his stock to where he will likely be selected in the middle of the first round.
The N.B.A. personnel said they expected the Utah Jazz, which should pick around No. 12, to feel pressure to draft Fredette. If it does not, few expect him to slip lower than No. 20.
The B.Y.U. strength coach, Justin McClure, said he expected Fredette to test well in the physical drills. He said Fredette has a vertical jump of 36 inches, can bench-press 265 pounds and should be able to lift 185 pounds 9 or 10 times.
“I think he surprised people with that,” McClure said. “He’s a lot quicker and more agile than people give him credit for.”
Fredette said he was pleased with his decision to return to B.Y.U., which has likely made him millions of dollars because of his improved draft status. He has stressed all season that B.Y.U.’s success has been his main focus.
“It was definitely a tough decision, but it’s what I expected and what I wanted to do and what I needed to do to get this type of hype leading into this tournament and later on in my career for the draft,” Fredette said.
Fredette cringed a bit at a comparison to the former Gonzaga forward Adam Morrison, who was perhaps the last scorer this dominant in college basketball. Morrison was the third overall pick in the 2006 draft, by the Charlotte Bobcats, but has been with three teams and was waived by the Washington Wizards last October.
Fredette also said he thought he was “a pretty good defender.”
“I don’t think people give me as much credit as maybe I deserve on the defensive end because I do play well on the offensive end,” he said.
Florida’s coaches need no reminder of that. Fredette scored 37 points against the Gators last year in B.Y.U.’s double-overtime N.C.A.A. tournament victory. The Florida assistant Larry Shyatt said that when watching film of Fredette score 52 points against New Mexico this month, Maravich’s name came up.
Shyatt said there was no blueprint for guarding Fredette. “They could sell it at Walgreens, I’m not buying it,” he said.
Florida Coach Billy Donovan said Fredette’s biggest questions in the N.B.A. would come in the nuances of defense, as he said there was no question his shooting would translate.
“Can he play in pick-and-roll defensively?” Donovan said. “Can he get over screens and keep people in front? I think he’s got good enough size and good enough speed. I think that’s going to be the biggest question mark.”

Jonathan Abrams contributed reporting from New York.
 
But Fredette’s approach to defense is a cause for concern, N.B.A. personnel said, because he appears to put in little effort so he can stay out of foul trouble and conserve energy for offense.
Dave Rice, a B.Y.U. assistant, said some of Fredette’s defensive deficiencies were by design.
“A lot of that is really on us,” Rice said. “We expect so much of him on the offensive end. We can’t afford to have him in foul trouble. He’s a much, much better defensive player than he’s given credit for. A lot of that is part of our game plan.”

So if BYU is protecting him on defense so he can focus entirely on offense, admitting that he doesn't play defense to save on fouls, then how good can he really be on defense? If practice time was all that mattered, then every rookie should be rookie of the year. But practice is only a small part of it. Those skills are really only hone in game time. So they protect him, he doesn't play defense, yet somehow he is a great defensive player?

I don't buy it.

A somewhat faster, shorter Korver who can dribble. That is about it.
 
I would take him at twenty-two
I would take him you great big piece of poo
I would take Jimmer that is true
I would take him read my haiku
I would take him in his shoe
I would take him To the jazz venue
I would take him the Jimmer kungfu
So yes I would take him at twenty-two

But do you like green eggs and ham?
 
I thought the article Jazz rule posted was interesting. thanks guys for your comments. there are indeed a lot of Jimmer naysayers. My gut feeling is that Jimmer is going to be a solid Pro,and of course that could bvery well happen... or he could be the next adam Morrison. It will be interesting to see what happens. If he does end up being a stud in the pros, and we are not the ones to draft him, i can't wait to see the threads that will start appearing... "KOC, it's all your fault". :)
 
josh (chicago)


Does Utah have to take Jimmer with their second 1st round pick if he's there? I would think he'd be a great fit for that city

Chad Ford (1:35 PM) Espn


If you know Kevin O'Connor you know that he's the last GM in the league to pick a player because it would help with marketing. He's avoided BYU and Utah players his whole tenure. If they take Jimmer, it will be because they think he's got a real shot of having a good career in Utah. I do think they're one of the teams that genuinely like him, which is why I've had them drafting him in our Mock Draft.
 
LOLZ @ everyone who says that Jimmer is the next adam Morrison... Those two players have NOTHING in common.. the only similarity is their skin color you racists.. Morrison was a 4 in college with no dribbling skills with a streaky shot... Jimmer is a 1 who has range no one has seen before... so stop making these comparisons with him and MOrrison.. or any other white nba player for the matter. because skin color is the only thing him and these other players mentioned have in common.
 
If he's available at #12, I think the Jazz will take him, unless they luck out in the lottery and get Irving.
Jazz need shooters on the second unit. He can be a combo guard a la Price, except his strength is offense and Price's (supposedly) was defense. Jimmer will never be a starter, but I think he will hold his own against backups. Normally that's NOT what you want in a lottery pick, but there just ain't much in this year's draft. Jimmer at 12 is probably as good as anyone else that would be there. At least he's not going to give Corbin attitude and there would be a good chance he'd want to stay in Utah after his rookie contract.
 
Does Eddie house work? What about mark price? Oh wait mark price isvwhite so I can't compare those 2. That removes Steve Kerr and John paxson. Stephen curry work for you he looks half black?
 
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