NAOS
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No reason to start fearing this until we know the outcome in the Senate.
Joe Biden - 46th President!
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I feel an overwhelming sense of relief... like it’s kind of emotional and weird because I’m not that way. I’m still gonna catch hell from my family members that will say I’ve turned into a limp wristed socialist. **** em... I feel vindicated. Not a huge fan of Joe but his messaging post election is exactly what we need. Maybe we can have 10% less hate and division... won’t cure all or even most of our issues but it’s something... feels like we dodged the a major bullet.
candrew
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This election was a down ballot nightmare and a major warning shot. Without a doubt the house will turn back red in 2022 if the Democratic leadership in Congress isn't forced out. Pelosi needs to retire. Schumer should be allowed to finish out his term and then follow her out the door. They're responsible for trotting out these milquetoast candidates that couldn't make a dent against wildly unpopular incumbents. There wasn't one poll in Maine that had Susan Collins' approval rating over 50% and they couldn't beat her. She supposedly signed her own death warrant when she approved Kavanaugh - guess not. They spent 100 million dollars on that dude in South Carolina who ran against Lindsey Graham; and he lost by the same percentage as the guy who ran against Graham 6 years ago and didn't even actively campaign!!
Pelosi and Schumer are literally burning the left's capital because they do nothing to distinguish themselves from the right other than identity politics.
Zombie
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Completely agree. Dems got smoked in congressional races in states where ballot initiatives for things like minimum wage increases and drug legalization were easily passed. The time for new democratic congressional leadership is long overdue.
candrew
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Schumer attended my grammar school graduation ceremony as congressman for my district when I was a boy growing up in Brooklyn - and I'm going to be eligible for AARP in a couple years, lol!
And compared to Pelosi he's a spring ****ing chicken........GTFO!!!
The Thriller
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I hear you. Earlier this week I almost swore off all social media. I still might. Its time consuming and probably just a waste. Probably could’ve learned a skill or a hobby by now.
What hobby is that?
The Thriller
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We desperately need to win the senate back. I’m hopeful (so I probably just jinxed it) that Georgia republicans will be slightly demoralized and won’t show up at the polls in January for the runoffs. We desperately need to win those races. Ossoff isn’t the greatest candidate for Georgia. I’m guessing a lot of Georgians see him as an elitist intellectual snowflake liberal. Warnock I think is pretty solid. But we need the Senate and Loeffler is horrible
JimLes
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If we've learned anything from the past 4 years, it's that a good chunk of your country lives in a parallel, fantasy universe. One where the 1970s can somehow come back, if you just elect the right person to make it happen.
These are people who believe that someone can make their kid gay. These are people who believe that not only have we reached actual racial equality, but that people of colour have all the power now and being white is a disadvantage. These are people who believe that through tariffs and magic, you can produce smartphones in the US and not have them cost an average monthly salary. These are people who believe that in 2020, you should be able to own a 1500 sq foot house and two cars and have spending money left over with a high school education. These are people who still believe certain jobs are for men and certain jobs are for women. These are people who believe Putin is an example of a leader. These are people who believe Putin means well to America. These are people who definitely want economy to grow, but can't understand that with current birth rates, the country needs immigrants for the jobs that growing economy will produce and require for more growth.
The US and the world are at a major crossroads right now. It's 2020, not 1970 or 1990. The challenges of the modern world, which almost certainly include more pandemics, can't be met by trying to turn the clock back. I don't know what the solutions are, but I do know they will likely be radical and that even I won't like some of them. That's including ones I strongly support and that's okay. It's not my job to like change, and it's not the job of our leaders to make me like change. The disenfranchised or as Hillary said, deplorables(I thought these were the people who love leaders who say it like it is) aren't going to be convinced by Joe or Kamala or Nancy or anyone that this is necessary. Not in this day and age and not when they're caught in the Fox News cycle.
You can't let half the country hold the entire country hostage because gosh darn it, they just don't like how things are different than they used to be. Putting things off for the sake of compromise won't do anything. America has a huge race problem that needs immediate attention and radical solutions. It's not just going to go away if you ignore it or throw yet another coat of paint over it. It'll just get worse. Some kind of change is needed, and again, it might be painful. The alternative is even more painful.
And it's easy to overlook the main, core issue here. The division between those who want change and don't want change almost exactly corresponds to another, much more important division. The world and America are basically divided into people who believe that things need to be earned and people who believe that they don't. That's the most profoundly sad thing about the state of all our societies today. The economy in the USA produces more than enough value that you should be able to clothe, feed, home, educate, and heal everyone in the country. You simple choose not to do that because it's "socialism." You choose not to because so many people believe there should be a moral test to see if you deserve to eat, to have a roof over your head, to sit in a first-year communications class, or be able to see a doctor. In other words, they don't see any of these as basic human rights and the lack of these as an affront to human dignity and a stain on our collective conscience.
And if he wasn't currently forming a militia somewhere, this is where babe would come in and talk about socialism and how the moment someone gives a hungry person food without them having somehow earned it, we all lose our freedoms and baby Jesus' second coming is delayed(or hastened...I can't ever parse most of his messages). You can call it whatever you want to call it, but the issue remains the same. Half the country will never accept that you earn the right to not be hungry, or homeless, or sick simply by being born. That's fine. I don't think the politicians have a duty to convince them. I think they have a duty to put this into practice. Not tomorrow, not when Kamala is president, but now. Because we can.
These are people who believe that someone can make their kid gay. These are people who believe that not only have we reached actual racial equality, but that people of colour have all the power now and being white is a disadvantage. These are people who believe that through tariffs and magic, you can produce smartphones in the US and not have them cost an average monthly salary. These are people who believe that in 2020, you should be able to own a 1500 sq foot house and two cars and have spending money left over with a high school education. These are people who still believe certain jobs are for men and certain jobs are for women. These are people who believe Putin is an example of a leader. These are people who believe Putin means well to America. These are people who definitely want economy to grow, but can't understand that with current birth rates, the country needs immigrants for the jobs that growing economy will produce and require for more growth.
The US and the world are at a major crossroads right now. It's 2020, not 1970 or 1990. The challenges of the modern world, which almost certainly include more pandemics, can't be met by trying to turn the clock back. I don't know what the solutions are, but I do know they will likely be radical and that even I won't like some of them. That's including ones I strongly support and that's okay. It's not my job to like change, and it's not the job of our leaders to make me like change. The disenfranchised or as Hillary said, deplorables(I thought these were the people who love leaders who say it like it is) aren't going to be convinced by Joe or Kamala or Nancy or anyone that this is necessary. Not in this day and age and not when they're caught in the Fox News cycle.
You can't let half the country hold the entire country hostage because gosh darn it, they just don't like how things are different than they used to be. Putting things off for the sake of compromise won't do anything. America has a huge race problem that needs immediate attention and radical solutions. It's not just going to go away if you ignore it or throw yet another coat of paint over it. It'll just get worse. Some kind of change is needed, and again, it might be painful. The alternative is even more painful.
And it's easy to overlook the main, core issue here. The division between those who want change and don't want change almost exactly corresponds to another, much more important division. The world and America are basically divided into people who believe that things need to be earned and people who believe that they don't. That's the most profoundly sad thing about the state of all our societies today. The economy in the USA produces more than enough value that you should be able to clothe, feed, home, educate, and heal everyone in the country. You simple choose not to do that because it's "socialism." You choose not to because so many people believe there should be a moral test to see if you deserve to eat, to have a roof over your head, to sit in a first-year communications class, or be able to see a doctor. In other words, they don't see any of these as basic human rights and the lack of these as an affront to human dignity and a stain on our collective conscience.
And if he wasn't currently forming a militia somewhere, this is where babe would come in and talk about socialism and how the moment someone gives a hungry person food without them having somehow earned it, we all lose our freedoms and baby Jesus' second coming is delayed(or hastened...I can't ever parse most of his messages). You can call it whatever you want to call it, but the issue remains the same. Half the country will never accept that you earn the right to not be hungry, or homeless, or sick simply by being born. That's fine. I don't think the politicians have a duty to convince them. I think they have a duty to put this into practice. Not tomorrow, not when Kamala is president, but now. Because we can.
Zombie
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I made the brilliant decision to DM not one but two weekly dungeons and dragons games. It's a blast but holy crap I underestimated how much prep work goes into running the game.
While I agree that would be best for the county, and assuming the right does the same, that would be great. Unfortunately a polarized two party system will result in more strife and less unity. At some point we will need more parties like England, and they went through a similar structure change themselves.
We have extremes on both sides and I struggle to identify with either party, as I think many do.
At a minimum we need a more moderate party without extreme ideology on either side, but I think at least a 4 party system would be even better. Just based on voting, I think if you interviewed most Americans, you'd find that a centralized middle party would have a lot of power and appeal.
It has never made sense to me to tie social and fiscal policy under one party.
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Ya one thing I have been spouting to friends and family lately leading up to this election as a reason I wanted Trump to lose is that politics has invaded every aspect of life. We all think about, read about, talk about and watch politics way more than is healthy imo. Part of the reason is because trump tweets about everything and loves to be on tv and everywhere.
I ask people to imagine that we all, collectively, spend just 5 minutes less per week thinking about/talking about/reading/and watching politics. 5 minutes a week doesn't seem like much. But 5 minutes per week times a couple hundred million Americans is a lot of minutes. And it would have a snowball effect.
I post one less political post per week. That's one less political post you see each week. Thriller, you, naos, infection, gameface, babe, catchall, etc etc etc all post one less political post each week and read one less. And the same thing happens on Twitter and everywhere else.
My hope is that with Biden as president there is simply less politics in all of our lives and I think if that happens then our countries mental health will be just a little bit better.
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JimLes
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Oh right. You must be one of those socially liberal and fiscally conservative people who still haven't figured out that cutting programs causes the very societal ills you'd like to get rid of. Like addiction, homelessness, or poverty. If only there was a party that could magically both cut your taxes and help everyone, right?
No, I have personal experience with inefficient government overspend in Federal government with very little accountability. We can spend smarter, to invest in our people.
I spent years in Germany, and appreciate the programs they have to avoid homelessness and poverty, but think they go a bit too far. I personally have worked with some Germans that work and make a lot less than they could because of tax rates. There is a happy medium.
Throwing money at our oppressed/other societal issues without a plan to fix these issues amplifies the problem, and can encourage people to accept the status quo. I think we should spend to invest in our population, and have a safety net to protect others who truly need it. We need to invest in schools, incentivize parents to get kids in school and get more schooling themselves, and ensure our poor populations have access to quality education. If this creates a better standard of living, it will also increase the tax base. We can do this, spend more efficiently now, and invest in our future.
We have too many pet projects and programs that do nothing to improve our populous or increase standards of living for all without long-term inefficient tax burdens.
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I'd have bet heavily on the new hobby being dogging... not sure whats worse...
