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[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

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Eenie-Meenie said:
We are doing him a favor. He has to get rid of salary to be able to sign Hayward, whether it's Crowder, Smart, or Bradley. I think maybe two of the three; he already renounced Olynyk.
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No`, you don't get it at all. Crowder is good value on a really good contract. Right now Ainge is trying to dump some of his trash so he can keep someone like Crowder. If he decides to move Crowder, he can do so and get something good in return.

I don't think you have a very good grasp on which contracts have value and which don't. Utah taking Crowder for free in a Haywood S&t is most certainly NOT doing them a favor, it is Utah getting lucky as hell compared to losing Hey-turd for nothing. We aren't likely to get Crowder without giving another asset besides Haywood.
 
mellow said:
S&T? Maybe it happens, but I doubt it.

Lindsey has repeatedly expressed the sentiment that trades ought to be fair, or that both sides ought to get something they value. A win-win.

Danny Ainge, and seemingly most Boston fans, view the business of basketball as a competition just like the games. They are not satisfied with a win-win, they want to beat you. And Danny Ainge manages his business like he played the game: feisty, dirty and willing to take a cheap shot.
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The Celtics have to trade a contract without taking back salary in order to sign Hayward. Very few teams right now have the cap room to take on Crowder, Bradley or Smart. And the few who do probably would'nt be dying to give the Celtics picks back in return because the teams with space will be lottery teams. It benefits Boston to deal with Utah directly.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
No`, you don't get it at all. Crowder is good value on a really good contract. Right now Ainge is trying to dump some of his trash so he can keep someone like Crowder. If he decides to move Crowder, he can do so and get something good in return.

I don't think you have a very good grasp on which contracts have value and which don't. Utah taking Crowder for free in a Haywood S&t is most certainly NOT doing them a favor, it is Utah getting lucky as hell compared to losing Hey-turd for nothing. We aren't likely to get Crowder without giving another asset besides Haywood.
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It sounds like Crowder wants to be traded. So they probably don't keep him. Yes they can get something in return but they can't take salary back. So it has to be a team that can absorb him or with the Jazz in a sign and trade. All they are after is some picks because they can't take back a player. What type of pick is he worth? Rebuilding teams with cap space room to absorb him are not giving up much for him since they are tanking. It's a unique situation that the Jazz can capitalize on.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I think Mitchell is going to be better than Hayward. He certainly is far better now than Hay was as a rookie.
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What a bunch of ****. Hayward was one of the worst rookies I've ever seen for his first two or three months.

I have high hopes for Mitchell, but using this as a barometer is a ****ing joke.
 
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