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[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

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NUMBERICA said:
And your answer is building the team around Jae Crowder? The Jazz got dealt a crushing blow like we've never seen before and it's clear the only path to a championship is hitting on and developing picks like crazy. Stingy white Republicans won't even stay here when it's good, what makes you think Crowder is?

I love Jae Crowder, but if we're remembering what Dennis Lindsey does with late 1sts (Rudy Gobert, Rodney Hood, Donovan Mitchell), yeah, you bet your *** I'm fighting to keep those and the 7+ years the Jazz get the option of keeping them around.

And for the record, my plan is to mothball Gobert and have a firesale/"youth-movement"/tank. The Jazz are stuck in a damn stupid spot and won't push the reset button now. So this is all grabbing around in the dark looking for a *** to squeeze.
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Cmon man, no one is saying build around Jae Crowder. You are building around Gobert/Rubio. Crowder is a good fit. If all you have to trade is a lottery protected pick, then you do it. If Crowder only had 2 years left on his deal, I get the hesitation, but he has 3. Hell you might be able to flip him for a better pick next year if the right situation comes along.


And look, I like the idea of the mothball, but it just isnt realistic (but we can hope).
 
Gobert is going to average more than 14 ppg next year (I expect 16 at least).

If Crowder comes to this team I think his ceiling is probably 15 ppg.
 
[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Gobert....
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Gobert is going to average more than 14 ppg next year (I expect 16 at least).

If Crowder comes to this team I think his ceiling is probably 15 ppg.
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I didn't think about that. Damn.. If we trade for Crowder we could have a pretty balanced scoring team that plays the best D in the league.

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The good thing going for the Jazz is most of the teams with cap-space are bad teams who might not be interested in Crowder for any of their draft picks.

Ainge might be shopping Crowder right now, but all he can get is a lottery protected pick from teams that project to be in the lottery for a long *** time (for instance the Kings have a lot of cap-room, as well as the Bulls).

Those teams also dont have much of a reason to want Crowder either because they are in for a long rebuild.

So I guess it's possible Utah comes out on top simply because they are willing to give up a lottery protected pick, and Ainge feels like Utah has a reasonable chance to convey that pick with something in the 15-20 range, which would be a solid asset for him?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The good thing going for the Jazz is most of the teams with cap-space are bad teams who might not be interested in Crowder for any of their draft picks.

Ainge might be shopping Crowder right now, but all he can get is a lottery protected pick from teams that project to be in the lottery for a long *** time (for instance the Kings have a lot of cap-room, as well as the Bulls).

Those teams also dont have much of a reason to want Crowder either because they are in for a long rebuild.

So I guess it's possible Utah comes out on top simply because they are willing to give up a lottery protected pick, and Ainge feels like Utah has a reasonable chance to convey that pick with something in the 15-20 range, which would be a solid asset for him?
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I think the biggest problem is that it would be more beneficial to him to offload Bradley, right? Probably even Smart. Crowder has the most value of the three due to his contract, so he might just stash him for a later time.
 
It seems like the Spurs have cap-room to take Crowder, but I dont see how they do it without sending salary back.

It seems like the Mavericks also have a lot of cap-room and also have enough non-guaranteed's to send back to Boston.
http://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/teams/dallas-mavericks

Does Dallas want to do any deal with them though? They probably won't be making the playoffs anytime soon with a rookie PG, so I would assume their lottery protected pick would be less valuable than ours.
 
Siro said:
I think the biggest problem is that it would be more beneficial to him to offload Bradley, right? Probably even Smart. Crowder has the most value of the three due to his contract, so he might just stash him for a later time.
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Yeah, but if they literally cant find anyone to dump these guys off to without unloading more assets (like paying people to take these guys) are they better off just giving Utah what they want?

That's probably way too complicated for me to figure out every angle for each player, and it probably isnt the case, but could the other 29 owners be that petty towards Ainge?
 
Also, does Ainge have any reservations about trading Crowder, or any of these guys, to an Eastern Conference team?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, but if they literally cant find anyone to dump these guys off to without unloading more assets (like paying people to take these guys) are they better off just giving Utah what they want?

That's probably way too complicated for me to figure out every angle for each player, and it probably isnt the case, but could the other 29 owners be that petty towards Ainge?
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I don't know. But if we offer a protected 1st round, and Hayward gives Ainge a call encouraging him to get it done, I bet we can get Crowder.

But, I'm talking out of my ***. I guess we'll find out soon.
 
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