Game Thread Jun 16, 2021 08:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Clippers - Game 5

[Deleted member 365]

We could not win at home against a Kawhi-less Clippers. How can we complain about injuries? We won at home without Conley. Mitchell is hurt but playing while Kawhi is out.

#1 in the season only to be in this position is not over-reacting; it is calling a spade a spade.

Lue is dog walking Snyder

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I guarantee if we ban Lopo the Jazz win game 6 and 7

 

[Hekate]

Thats what I'm saying. His offense AND his defense can be schemed out.

It's modern day basketball and Rudy is left guarding Jackson, Batum, Morris. When he gets blown by, another guy is wide open.

On offense, his screen doesn't matter because they rotate before he can get to the only spot where he can score - 3 feet.

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Mitchell has been schemed out. Kawhi and PG has been schemed out. It almost always gives advantage to the other players. It's on others to take advantage.

Remember the sentiment when Clips first busted out the zone. We all thought that wasn't sustainable because Jazz have great shooters and that threat opens up driving gaps that we can attack plus Rudy is there if they miss. It didn't happen though, Jazz got stagnant, played iso ball and no one stepped up consistently. Focus and blame should naturally be on ballhandlers. Rudy has his limitations on offense for sure but he still has his gravity. When we attacked the rim 3-4 times, he got putbacks, when we don't he battles 2 guys plus guys crashing down from perimeter. It's not really possible to get offensive rebounds if guards can't break down the defense.

On defense. It's just the nature of perimeter defense. Simmons, the best perimeter defender in the league right now, gets 39 put on him, Kawhi looked ridiculous against Mitch at times. Giannis got punked, Jrue turned into Bledsoe. Everyone gets scored on the perimeter and Rudy doesn't even have the benefit of rim protection behind him. He is still playing great defense. Guys score it happens, Jazz need better defense from everyone else. Just like Mitchell can't carry the whole offense, Rudy can't stop everyone.

 

[Gameface]

I guarantee if we ban Lopo the Jazz win game 6 and 7

Let's throw @oneye in there to be safe.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Mitchell has been schemed out. Kawhi and PG has been schemed out. It almost always gives advantage to the other players. It's on others to take advantage.

Remember the sentiment when Clips first busted out the zone. We all thought that wasn't sustainable because Jazz have great shooters and that threat opens up driving gaps that we can attack plus Rudy is there if they miss. It didn't happen though, Jazz got stagnant, played iso ball and no one stepped up consistently. Rudy has his limitations on offense for sure but he still has his gravity. When we attacked the rim 3-4 times, he got putbacks, when we don't he battles 2 guys plus guys crashing down from perimeter. It's not really possible to get offensive rebounds if guards can't break down the defense.

On defense. It's just the nature of perimeter defense. Simmons, the best perimeter defender in the league right now, gets 39 put on him, Kawhi looked ridiculous against Mitch at times. Giannis got punked, Jrue turned into Bledsoe. Everyone gets scored on the perimeter and Rudy doesn't even have the benefit of rim protection behind him. He is still playing great defense. Guys score it happens, Jazz need better defense from everyone else. Just like Mitchell can't carry the whole offense, Rudy can't stop everyone.

A big issue with Don's health is that he cant split the double consistently like he usually can. I think teh Jazz strategy is to have the better shooters in the corners on those doubles so Mitchell can split and kick to them, but he ends up getting trapped and having to kick to O'Neale.

 

[latin jazz]

I'm not saying Rudy is trash. I'm saying his impact isn't great against small teams. If we could find a way to keep him AND add what we need on the perimeter, I would do it.

But he is such a large chunk of our cap that I just don't see how we can continue to partner him with Don. Just doesn't work in the today's NBA playoffs.

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He would be more effective with a real PG. His rolling open up the offense for his teammates.

The clippers are just trapping/double teaming Donovan way outside the 3pt line, leaving Rudy open for a second (and having a guy rotating from the corner to defend him). The pass is there but its a difficult one because it's pretty long and can be intercepted. It requires moving the ball quick (to the side or to Rudy who needs to get a bit closer). Donovan has been unable to make those reads. And when he did, it was to a indecisive Royce who didn't know what to do with the ball. We are predictable and playing tight. I'm surprised Q has been unable to exploit the Clips defense so far (I put some blame on the players being unable to make the reads/plays)

On defense, can't put all the blame on Rudy. He can't do it all. His job would be much easier if guys could stay in front of their man at least half the time. He is always trying to cover other players' mistakes, protecting the paint or rushing to defend the corner 3. If I were him, I would be pretty pissed.

Long term, both Rudy and Donovan are cornerstones. We need better defenders on the roster (obvious from last year) and someone like Conley back. Donovan is not a real PG (although he has improved from last year).

 

[trentban22]

I'm officially calling the Conley acquisition a complete failure. We knew he had injury issues. He was redundant and didn't fill an actual need. And we left a huge gaping hole in our biggest weakness. It's a complete bust.

At the end of the day, if he doesn't impact this series then you're correct

This times 100,000,000,000.

The solution? Keep the league's best paint protector IN THE PAINT!!! Adjust so that others guard the perimeter more aggressively. 4 out, 1 in. Nuf said.

MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT QUIN!!! DONT SAY THIS IS OUR DNA AND RIDE IT TO THE GRAVE!!!

I have been saying that Ersan should play over Miye Oni for sure and maybe Niang, but now I think he should come in as the back-up center instead of Favors. I really like Favors and usually he does a few things at the end of games to help the Jazz win. But in this series he is providing no defense and no offense. At least Ersan can contribute on offense and his defensive impact won’t be any worse than Favors.

Not that Ersan is a secondary rim protector but he is the only thing even close. At very least needs to play Niang's minutes with Gobert/Favours at C. His 3pt shooting cannot be any worst than Niang right now plus he gives help on D, MUST DO

 

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Rudy’s salary the next 5 years:

35.3M
38.2M
41M
43.8M
46.6M

I don’t know man.

I love Rudy but man, that is rough...especially when we haven't proven we can win with him in the playoffs.

 

[LoPo]

I guarantee if we ban Lopo the Jazz win game 6 and 7

I guarantee you Conley was a trade we shouldn't have made.

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[Deleted member 365]

Exemplary of the clippers pulling gobert out and basically just having free shots. They stopped attacking gobert in the paint and instead pulled him to the perimeter where they take wide open shots on him. FISH OUT OF WATER!

ADJUST QUIN!!!

In Snyder’s defense, the logical move here would be to go small and take Rudy out of the game. Sadly, we don’t have enough athletic wings to go small ball with. If we had a jeff green/Tobias harris like player, then we could downsize and take away this advantage from them.

 

[Deleted member 365]

He’s not wrong. A bunch of us were saying that we were playing poor basketball but it was disguised by unreal shooting.

Shaq and Charles were vindicated tonight.