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just gonna lob this out there

pointgawh said:
and we have zero all-star, what does that say about our rebuilding?
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It says that we are rebuilding. Which means that we are young. Few young developing players make the Allstar game. Avg allstar is ~29 years old.
 
Hack said:
You are the worst poster ever.

Hey guis, wut do you think of my completely implausible trade idea that I don't support.

Hilarious. that's so weak. Grow some balls man. You have no right to talk trash to me when you be posting garbage like this.
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Pot, meet kettle.
 
Hack said:
You are the worst poster ever.

Hey guis, wut do you think of my completely implausible trade idea that I don't support.

Hilarious. that's so weak. Grow some balls man. You have no right to talk trash to me when you be posting garbage like this.
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I'm not surprised you have no grasp of neutrality or what it's like to offer an idea without polluting it with a personal opinion.
 
The window to get Lillard closed a long time ago. The time to load up on high potential talent has already passed us. We are pretty much all in on this team. I seriously doubt the organization has the cojones to make any big changes now.

If the Jazz were smart they would have traded AL and Millsap, and tanked, instead of chasing the 8th seed. We could have drafted Lillard ourselves that year because we would have kept our pick, AND most likely bumped GS past that 8th spot and we would have had that pick as well. It was a complete screw up the way they handled the situation then. It was obvious that this would happen. They half assed the tank job, and didn't get much out of it.

This is what you get when you have bad organization Philosophy.
 
Hack said:
The window to get Lillard closed a long time ago. The time to load up on high potential talent has already passed us. We are pretty much all in on this team. I seriously doubt the organization has the cojones to make any big changes now.

If the Jazz were smart they would have traded AL and Millsap, and tanked, instead of chasing the 8th seed. We could have drafted Lillard ourselves that year because we would have kept our pick, AND most likely bumped GS past that 8th spot and we would have had that pick as well. It was a complete screw up the way they handled the situation then. It was obvious that this would happen. They half assed the tank job, and didn't get much out of it.

This is what you get when you have bad organization Philosophy.
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This. That got me really mad whenever I think about the Corb era, that year there was no point to get in the 8th seed got swept by Spurs, NO POINT WHATSOEVER.

I know this time around isn't as bad but I really hope the same pattern won't happen again as we are currently chasing the 8th seed.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Just random thoughts not really in direct response;

I hope I'm wrong, but I think we've struck some fools gold with Lyles. I'm not ready to pencil him a definite starter by any stretch, yet.

I am still bullish on Exum.
Burke needs to go.
Keep Gobert.
See what we can get for Favors, but likely keep him.
Burks and Hood are available but not as giveaways.
Let Booker go.
Hayward stays.

I know people will laugh at this, but our greatest assets right now are our picks. Over the next three years we have 5 1st round picks and 10 2nd round picks. We need to parlay them, somehow, into a top 5 pick in '17. Top 5 is a perennial all-star. Of the top 5 there are 2 electric PG's. Two outstanding SF's. One incredible PF.

Tbh, I'm ready to semi blow the team up. It just doesn't feel like we have the true building blocks for a contender and as much as everyone will simply accuse me of loving the draft process and throw out stupid jabs re: the Sixers, etc.. the mountain of draft picks is our way UP. Whether through parlaying to a HIGH '17 pick, or giving them up for a kick *** veteran. I guess what I am saying is our picks have more value than our players to build/re-build the team.

This next line is only for anyone that cares to bash my post. Who are we building around?
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PG_AB said:
Maybe Leonard would be included in this trade, and Withey going the other way? That'd possibly ease the loss of those 1sts..

To add to the plausibility of this trade, you've gotta throw in Neto too, obviously they could use C.J. McCollum as more of a PG in this scenario, but other than that it'd leave them with just Tim '8.8 mpg' Frazier at PG.. and again their whole team is structured for the PG and SG to throw up 3's and the other guys to rebound, which might not be the best way to utilize Favors talents anyway - Their 5th option on offense, of their starters now, is their PF...

A trade like this is interesting though.. I'm all for some sort of 2 for 1 swap.. If I was a GM i'd wouldn't trade those first round picks for anything less than potentially better 1st round picks.


So lets say the Trade was Favors, Exum, Withey, Neto this years 1st round pick unprotected and the 2021 1st round pick, for Meyers Leonard and Lillard (which works in the trade machine)

That leaves the Jazz with this juicy lineup/perimeter rotation(lotta firepower..);

Lillard/Burke/ 10-day contract (Olivier Hanlan?!)
Hood/Burks*/Johnson
Hayward/Ingles/Hood
Lyles/Booker/Leonard/ (Jeff Ayers?!)
Gobert/Leonard/Pleiss


Which is damn malleable moving forward(even without my prized draft picks!).. The Jazz could still designate Rudy for a 5 year contract.. Portland did that with Lillard already, he qualified for the 5 year 30% 'derrick rose rule' max..

Lastly I just want to point out -- trying to gauge Dante Exum's trade value at this point is a dangerous, dangerous game. In a profession where jobs are on the line, and overturn happens quickly.. I wouldn't want anything to do with it..
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Couple of good posts there from the draft dude duo
 
NAOS said:
I'm not surprised you have no grasp of neutrality or what it's like to offer an idea without polluting it with a personal opinion.
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Interesting. Why don't you take a neutral position on the stuff I bring up instead of polluting it with your opinion? It's because you are a clueless idiot who takes pleasure in arguing, fighting, etc.. Then you are too scared to come up with your own ideas. You are a waffler.

You are weak bruh.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Just random thoughts not really in direct response;

I hope I'm wrong, but I think we've struck some fools gold with Lyles. I'm not ready to pencil him a definite starter by any stretch, yet.

I am still bullish on Exum.
Burke needs to go.
Keep Gobert.
See what we can get for Favors, but likely keep him.
Burks and Hood are available but not as giveaways.
Let Booker go.
Hayward stays.

I know people will laugh at this, but our greatest assets right now are our picks. Over the next three years we have 5 1st round picks and 10 2nd round picks. We need to parlay them, somehow, into a top 5 pick in '17. Top 5 is a perennial all-star. Of the top 5 there are 2 electric PG's. Two outstanding SF's. One incredible PF.

Tbh, I'm ready to semi blow the team up. It just doesn't feel like we have the true building blocks for a contender and as much as everyone will simply accuse me of loving the draft process and throw out stupid jabs re: the Sixers, etc.. the mountain of draft picks is our way UP. Whether through parlaying to a HIGH '17 pick, or giving them up for a kick *** veteran. I guess what I am saying is our picks have more value than our players to build/re-build the team.

This next line is only for anyone that cares to bash my post. Who are we building around?
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pointgawh said:
This. That got me really mad whenever I think about the Corb era, that year there was no point to get in the 8th seed got swept by Spurs, NO POINT WHATSOEVER.

I know this time around isn't as bad but I really hope the same pattern won't happen again as we are currently chasing the 8th seed.
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Well one thing better about the current situation versus that corbin year is that this season we get a draft pick whether we make the playoffs or not. The draft position simply changes. That corbin year it was make the playoffs and get our asses kicked and have no draft pick at all or miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick for a team that was on the verge of starting rebuild anyway.
Making the playoffs that year was some dumb ****
 
pointgawh said:
This. That got me really mad whenever I think about the Corb era, that year there was no point to get in the 8th seed got swept by Spurs, NO POINT WHATSOEVER.

I know this time around isn't as bad but I really hope the same pattern won't happen again as we are currently chasing the 8th seed.
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It shouldn't. The whole dynamic of the team has changed. We no longer have two bigs we all know are on their way out with two promising young bigs to turn it over to (or any other position or that matter). Favors and Gobert are young and locked in for at least 1 more season together. Withey and Lyles are behind them and neither are replacing the starter they are behind. Also the GM and Coach are different now. Thankfully.

Still plenty of ways then can mess it up but not the way they did with Millsap and Big Al, not this year at least. All the major players, and several supporting players, are here for at least 1 more season barring a trade. Burke, Hayward and Gobert are all possible free agents at the end of next season though. Hayward has a player option and Gobert and Burke will be restricted free agents if they don't agree to a deal first.

DL is currently in a much better position to guide this team forward than they were in 2008 (largely their own fault). The question is what does he do with this opportunity?
 
Portland hangs up whatever you give them if they're smart. They've got Lillard now who is a potential superstar and is a big FA draw card in the offseason.


Lillard and McCollum are locked in, they really only need an All Star big to complete a future "BIG 3" for that team to be in contention.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We have three border line all stars, a prospect with all star potential in Exum, a couple other good young guys in lyles, hood, and burks... Some fringe assets like Burke and cap space... And all of our own picks plus a couple others in the next three years. Think it's going just fine.
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How can we say that Exum has all-star potential? Maybe his Defense, but what did he show last year that makes you believe he has that potential? Lyles has shown more of an upside than Exum thus far.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Tbh, I'm ready to semi blow the team up. It just doesn't feel like we have the true building blocks for a contender and as much as everyone will simply accuse me of loving the draft process and throw out stupid jabs re: the Sixers, etc.. the mountain of draft picks is our way UP. Whether through parlaying to a HIGH '17 pick, or giving them up for a kick *** veteran. I guess what I am saying is our picks have more value than our players to build/re-build the team.

This next line is only for anyone that cares to bash my post. Who are we building around?
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I've been there since the start of last season. The blow up was typical Jazz style half-assed.
 
Those hoping on Exum have brighter eyes than pretty much any Jazz hope in the past. Alec Burks showed 10x more potential early on, and look at where he is. Exum isn't the key to anything.

Let yourselves down slowly now, I'm never wrong.
 
I would do it, but I don't think Portland would.

I do think Lillard is that good though.
 
Hack said:
Interesting. Why don't you take a neutral position on the stuff I bring up instead of polluting it with your opinion? It's because you are a clueless idiot who takes pleasure in arguing, fighting, etc.. Then you are too scared to come up with your own ideas. You are a waffler.

You are weak bruh.
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^says the person to the guy who started the thread. You don't even know what an idea is, do you?
 
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