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That's enough food for the trolls from me today.
I got too much to do to have time for this.

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fishonjazz said:
This is how it's supposed to be done right? I have learned this type of response from trump supporters.
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Then you should thank Trump supporters, because yes, that is how it is supposed to be done. Someone neither of us will ever meet said a disparaging thing. No policies were changed. The earth didn't stop spinning. The whole thing is a giant Meh.
 
fishonjazz said:
From what I have read. He didn't use the word "all" when he called trump supporters garbage. He was just talking about a few of them that are garbage. He was just joking around. It was taken out of context. It was just locker room talk.

This is how it's supposed to be done right? I have learned this type of response from trump supporters.

It's funny because trump stays low. He constantly says and does horrible things. His supporters excuse it all away. His political opponents eventually get down in the mud with him and suddenly they act horrified at the mud slinging.

Again, trump is the common denominator. Remove trump and you removed people calling other people garbage.

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Projection and hypocrisy.
 
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I have no problem with people voting for trump as I have said many many times. Doesn't make them bad people. My own father is likely voting for trump. He is an amazing man. He just happens to be glued to fox news and his remaining friends in his life feed him pro trump emails constantly. Plus some people hate trump or think he sucks but will vote for him reluctantly. I got no problem with that. Im doing the same thing with Kamala.

Its the ones wearing the hats, flying the vulgar trump flags, going to the rallies, believing he was sent by god to fight evil etc that I have a problem with. I dont even necessarily see those people as bad people. Just extremely confused and manipulated like other members of past cults. The branch davidians lead by David Koresh weren't necessarily bad people. They just believed everything told to them by a bad dude.
 
The Thriller said:
I’m going off evidence. This is literally my job, history and political science has been my career for almost twenty years and what you’re regurgitating are 2016 talking pts that have been refuted For years now.
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I don't think you have a cohesive worldview if you can't understand my position and why I advocate for what I do. Good job having a job and a degree though.

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blaming globalism, immigrants, poverty, etc for American democracy de-stabilizing and voting for Trump.
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You're just yapping off right here. This is an unfocused rant. Poverty and income inequality, yes and no to the others. Immigration in any form is an unequivocal positive for society, obviously. Globalism has its perks.

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just doesn’t have any evidence to support it. Authoritarian personality disorder and racism do. If you look at the evidence people who vote for Trump are overwhelmingly motivated by race and gender.
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You're conflating what people espouse with the underlying issue that drives them to feel like they do. Do you believe people are born with xenophobic and racist opinions?

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Those are disproportionately being found among the (bored) non-college educated upper (white) middle class.
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This is my whole point. We don't need those guys to win an election, guy. My question would be why is the Harris campaign focused on winning the vaguely racist, white, small business owners when working-class people have been leaking to the right for decades?

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Again, you haven’t refuted my central pt:

“If the poverty aka the poor sweet innocent “forgotten man” who’s living better than any prior generation is really so angry with his lot in life, why aren’t we seeing worker revolutions across the world?” Instead, these right wing authoritarian movements are sprouting among the much better off who share cultural and racial grievances for a past that never existed. You see this in Brexit, Le pene’s France, Orban’s Hungary, Justice party in Poland, and Italy. It’s not the ****ing economics, it’s the racism. It’s the culture. It’s the social hierarchy folks who are angry that in the 21st century, their privilege is now being shared amongst those they deem to be lower class than they.
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Meh, reality refutes this point pretty hard tbh. You're lost in that lib sauce my friend. My reading of current dynamics is informed by historical material analysis. The above is toddler thinking. "why don't people advocate perfectly for their own self-interest if they're so economically insecure??" You know perfectly well that there are reasons for "no worker revolutions" but you're refusing to, maybe on purpose. Do you deny that rich and powerful folks from the Republicans to the Tories, to the Rassemblement National (you misspelled Le Pen) have a material interest in gaining power and holding it for themselves? If so, isn't it good for them to redirect frustration from an insecure working class into xenophobia, and racism through propaganda and manufactured consent? Controlled opposition gives an alternative for ethical and higher-minded individuals but ultimately works to maintain the status quo. What power currently exists that would be incentivized to push for a worker revolution? Come on. I mean this is basic stuff.

Under a capitalist organization of the world economy, the economic inequalities will result in a lot of societal ills and one of them is inevitably the rise of fascism in the imperial core. Until you reckon with the underlying conditions, fascism is always going to gain ground. The outgroup changes but the fundamentals stay the same.


This is off the rails thanks to your crappy posting but

My main point is, once again, in terms of strategy in winning elections and also for the good of society in general. If you speak to the insecurity and promise to do enough to improve the lives of working-class people (and follow through on it) maybe enough of them recognize their own self-interest to come back and vote for you and will eventually be secure enough to self-actualize and reject attempts to propagandize them into fascist ideologies for the long term. Instead, we're talking about big-boy militaries and letting Liz Cheney on stage in a silly attempt to appeal to the rich white people in the suburbs.

I don't want to Trump to win, very badly.
 
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