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Mongoose said:
It was less about musks four words and more about the whole article that explains how democrats are interfering in elections by kicking political opponents off of ballots to disenfranchise Jill Stein, or Cornell West, or RFk jr voters dum dum.
I could see how that might be real confusing for a moron though.
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And here’s the thing. I’m essentially powerless to do a thing about any ill effects of living in the national security state. But I can at least vote against an American fascist. BTW, just finished reading this. IMO, nobody better than Tom Engelhardt in describing where America is, in the first quarter of the 21st century:

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A Nation Unmade by War

A Nation Unmade by War surveys American exceptionalism in the age of absurdity. As Tom Engelhardt argues, despite having a more massive, technologically advanced, and better-funded military than any other power on the planet, in
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“In his searing new book, A Nation Unmade by War, Tom Engelhardt has composed a requiem for a nation turned upside down by the relentless pursuit of global power. A devastating critique of the national security state, A Nation Unmade takes the reader from Nixon and Vietnam to Bush and the Iraq War through post-9/11 America, chronicling the errors, deceptions, and policy decisions which have ushered in a state of permanent war, reducing nations to rubble, wreaking chaos and confusion at home, and threatening the very principles upon which the country was founded. A must read for any student of 21st America.”

KAREN J. GREENBERG, AUTHOR OF ROGUE JUSTICE: THE MAKING OF THE SECURITY STATE
 
Ya I'm sure Putin wants the candidate who shows the most support for Ukraine to win. The candidate who supports NATO the most to win.

Sure.......

Sarcasm.

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Bucknutz said:
I know most of you guys are a 1 issue voter (Trump). This would be my 1 issue:


View: https://x.com/micsolana/status/1831715558074830883?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


Silence speech. This is crazy. Government oversight on speech. Yeah no thanks, ever.
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This might shock you but I actually don't like hate or misinformation and would love it if there were less of both things.

There is another sports message board that I hang out on. There is so much that I can't post on there. It's extremely strict. I love that I can't call people names or hurl insults and can't have people call me names or hurl insults at me. It's quite refreshing to be honest.

I think it's awesome that if you try to call someone a douchebag in the yahoo comments section then your post won't be approved.


Wish jazzfanz was more restricted on that kind of thing tbh.

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fishonjazz said:
This might shock you but I actually don't like hate or misinformation and would love it if there were less of both things.

There is another sports message board that I hang out on. There is so much that I can't post on there. It's extremely strict. I love that I can't call people names or hurl insults and can't have people call me names or hurl insults at me. It's quite refreshing to be honest.

I think it's awesome that if you try to call someone a douchebag in the yahoo comments section then your post won't be approved.


Wish jazzfanz was more restricted on that kind of thing tbh.

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Is the Government or owner of the boards policing their message boards? My view again is I do not want the Government to be the oversight on speech.
 
Bucknutz said:
Is the Government or owner of the boards policing their message boards? My view again is I do not want the Government to be the oversight on speech.
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I would add that when a board admin holds you responsible then you lose the ability to post on that board. When a government threatens to hold you responsible it means guns, badges, and forfeiture of property, freedom, or maybe even life. Being allowed to voice approved content on Yahoo, and being allowed to voice approved content in North Korea is not the same thing.
 
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Bucknutz said:
Is the Government or owner of the boards policing their message boards? My view again is I do not want the Government to be the oversight on speech.
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Eh, I dont especially trust the owner of yahoo any more or less than the government. Anywho, I think the idea of trying to limit the hate and misinformation on social media sites is a good idea. Would it be executed well? Idk. Maybe maybe not. Would good come from it? Idk. Maybe maybe not. I was simply responding to the proposal of the DOJ trying to limit hate and misinformation as being a good proposal. I dont really care who does it if it works tbh.

I do know that some kids commit suicide due to misinformation posted about them (slander related things) and due to hate received from social media posts. I dont like kids killing themselves or even being attacked and hated on so if someone wants to try to do something about that then im all ears.
 
Bucknutz said:
I know most of you guys are a 1 issue voter (Trump). This would be my 1 issue:


View: https://x.com/micsolana/status/1831715558074830883?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


Silence speech. This is crazy. Government oversight on speech. Yeah no thanks, ever.
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I agree. If you take a pledge to uphold the constitution, you should probably not be proposing ideas that are blatantly unconstitutional.

It's become a trend among politicians in general to ignore the First Amendment when it comes to social media. The legislature in Utah recently passed a law that would essentially ban minors from using social media, period, while requiring adults to verify their age through uploading an ID or some other means.

In any case, I expect none of this will amount to anything because I don't think any of these social media censorings will survive in court.
 
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Bucknutz said:
I know most of you guys are a 1 issue voter (Trump). This would be my 1 issue:


View: https://x.com/micsolana/status/1831715558074830883?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


Silence speech. This is crazy. Government oversight on speech. Yeah no thanks, ever.
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I'm not following on this too closely.

Is this the government asking for social media companies to implement and execute on their own TOS? I'm not a lawyer but it may not trigger First Amendment protections. Nobody is inherently entitled to free speech anywhere at all times. You're not entitled to protest on private property. Isn't social media space online basically the same thing? In my mind, the government asking companies to police their platforms is not the same as prosecuting individuals for what they've said. The latter is the protection offered by the First Amendment.

That said,

I think a revision or re-interpretation of the First Amendment of sorts is needed to govern social media platforms. Some sort of online public square provision so that people can have their speech protected on these platforms. Entrusting policing to corporations is going end badly either way.
 
Safetydan said:
I'm not following on this too closely.

Is this the government asking for social media companies to implement and execute on their own TOS? I'm not a lawyer but it may not trigger First Amendment protections. Nobody is inherently entitled to free speech anywhere at all times. You're not entitled to protest on private property. Isn't social media space online basically the same thing? In my mind, the government asking companies to police their platforms is not the same as prosecuting individuals for what they've said. The latter is the protection offered by the First Amendment.

That said,

I think a revision or re-interpretation of the First Amendment of sorts is needed to govern social media platforms. Some sort of online public square provision so that people can have their speech protected on these platforms. Entrusting policing to corporations is going end badly either way.
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Eh, 1A is fine as it is to prevent government overreach into individual thought. That said, every "right" has reasonable limits and 1A does not apply to private platforms anyway.
 
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