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Kanter and Nike Hoop Summit History

PKM said:
The odds are against ME? Interesting that you have so easily figured out that I'm KOC. Not sure why you feel the need to single me out, but I don't mind the discussion.
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I used "you" in a general sense. Change "me" to "one", "KOC", whatever makes you comfortable. The point of my response was comparing Kanter selection to buying a lottery ticket. The odds are against you, and "high risk /high reward" is too simplistic to assess this scenario, and doesn't quite cut it.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Who will be available at three that is elite? In my opinion There is not one elite player in this draft, but I do think Kanter has the best shot at being elite
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Based on the good hoops game, which I just showed indicated about 20 times more NBA busts than elite players from the worlds team?
 
PKM said:
Who do you want at 3?
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I don't claim to be draft guru, but it looks to me Irving, Williams, and Knight have a much better risk/reward parameters than that of Kanter. Kanter just seems like a complete crap shot. Like buying a lottery ticket. It's an investment based on complete speculation, with historically nearly non existent return.
 
Borat said:
The only reason Kanter was considered a top HS recruit and the only reason he is being considered for top 3 selection is that great Summit game a year ago. Before that he was not considered anywhere near the top guy coming out of HS, and after that he did not play a competitive game and lost development time due to inability to not only play, but even practice with the team this year. To get a historical perspective of how top scorers from the World's team do in NBA, I looked at previous Summits starting at 1995. I am going to list top scorers from Worlds team, who got at least 15 points with their scores in parenthesis.

Here they are: Zemljic(22), Bogojevic(22), Palladino(16), I. Rakocevic (17), J. Victoriano (16), D. Nowitzki (33), M. Neilsen (23), V. Illijevski (19), Fotsis (15), T. Parker (20), O. Oyediji (19), L.Bogdanovic (20), Martynas Pocius (20), Sakota (15), M Tepic (16), Mouhamed Saer Sene (15), Batum (23), Motiejunas(21), Macvan (23), Enes Kanter (34).

Now, granted only Dirk and Kanter crossed 30, but if you look at this list in general, there are many guys who had terrific games at the Summit, but weren't even good enough to make it as a third stringer in NBA. Out of this entire list, only Dirk and Parker are starting caliber players. Batum is a good back-up, and others don't even belong in NBA. And these are top world team guys we are talking about here. Now, we have Kanter, whose only claim to fame was that he did great in that game. Even from US team, if you look, there are few (if any) guys who did great in that game who are actually deserving of top 3 pick. Casey Jacobsen put up 31 points, and he is not even NBA player.

The point is, this game historically, especially when you look at world's team, shows very little as far player's potential and worthiness of top selection. And yet that game is the only reason why Kanter is considered as the top pick.
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Pretty sure the part in red is wrong. They were talking with Calipari and saying how Kanter did practice with the team this year. He was ineligible to play but that does not mean he could not practice.

I don't have an opinion one way or the other on Kanter but none of your arguments here are convincing in any way. I see Knight/Williams and even Irving as almost as big of risks as Kanter. At least Kanter has the size for his position and is not seen as a tweener.

I don't really want Knight at 3 I think a better PG can be had next year. Any of DWill, Irving or Kanter and I'll be happy with this pick. There is 3 or 4 pretty good player's in your lists. Were any of the rest even 1st round picks? Take out every player that was not and maybe your list would hold a little weight. Other wise I could start listing 2nd round scrubs to prove that none of the american college players are worth the risk.
 
Fair enough. I'm not a scout, but I like what I saw from UK practices and his street ball against Nazr and Demarcus. No, that doesn't make me think I know anything .. but I really liked what I saw. Thankfully, we're all just fans and someone else has to make the pick and be held accountable.
 
No...... You proved otherwise, like I stated before most of those players listed were considered scrubs the four players that were considered first round talent three of the four ended up being decent to great players. That's a 75% success rate.

Enough said.
 
gregbroncs said:
Pretty sure the part in red is wrong. They were talking with Calipari and saying how Kanter did practice with the team this year. He was ineligible to play but that does not mean he could not practice.

I don't have an opinion one way or the other on Kanter but none of your arguments here are convincing in any way. I see Knight/Williams and even Irving as almost as big of risks as Kanter. At least Kanter has the size for his position and is not seen as a tweener.

I don't really want Knight at 3 I think a better PG can be had next year. Any of DWill, Irving or Kanter and I'll be happy with this pick. There is 3 or 4 pretty good player's in your lists. Were any of the rest even 1st round picks? Take out every player that was not and maybe your list would hold a little weight. Other wise I could start listing 2nd round scrubs to prove that none of the american college players are worth the risk.
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I agree with everything other than a PG in next years class. I don't even think there's a PG, at this point, in the year after that. I've believed for some time now that KOC will either draft Knight at #3 or go the FA route for a PG.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
No...... You proved otherwise, like I stated before most of those players listed were considered scrubs the four players that were considered first round talent three of the four ended up being decent to great players. That's a 75% success rate.

Enough said.
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forgot to put in the quot when I wrote this. Was referring to the first post.
 
Borat said:
I don't claim to be draft guru, but it looks to me Irving, Williams, and Knight have a much better risk/reward parameters than that of Kanter. Kanter just seems like a complete crap shot. Like buying a lottery ticket. It's an investment based on complete speculation, with historically nearly non existent return.
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All of the players in the draft are lottery tickets with much better odds of success. Hell you think Portland is happy with the way their pick of Oden turned out? He was the "safer" pick over Durant. How about Orlando who took a risk and drafted Dwight Howard instead of Okafor? Okafor was also the "safer" pick. Personnally I want the guy that has the best chance of being a franchise player. From what I have heard and seen those players are DWill, Irving and Kanter. Knight is definitely the "safer" pick but he also seems to have a lower ceiling that the other 3.
 
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