Kanter traded to OKC

[l Abach l]

You clearly have no vision for the future.

This team is going to be much better than the DWill and Boozer team.

Besides, half of this team is KOC's. Including that bust Enes Kanter.

You sound like Patrick Kinahan when he said that Hayward is the best player since the statues. People are quick to forget how damn good that 2007-2009 jazz team was

 

[nightmare3983]

Yup that's great, yet we have the same record as we did a year ago. All I'm saying is that for the "DL > KOC, and it isn't really close" argument to be valid, DL needs to get the Jazz to the WCF, which isn't gonna happen with this core group of players going forward

If you look beyond the record this year's team is better than last year's. Through 53 games last season the Jazz had an average point differential of -5.9. For this season the average differential is -2.4 for an improvement of +3.5. Even not going into the numbers, the Jazz have been in games a lot more often this season than last. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the team finishes this season. Last season the Jazz went 6-24 after the All-Star break. I'm optimistic that the Jazz will go from being to competitive to actually winning some more games this year.

 

[chawx]

You sound like Patrick Kinahan when he said that Hayward is the best player since the statues. People are quick to forget how damn good that 2007-2009 jazz team was

Man, if you're going to post with the best team in the NFLs logo, at least get it right.

 

[Stoked]

Yup that's great, yet we have the same record as we did a year ago. All I'm saying is that for the "DL > KOC, and it isn't really close" argument to be valid, DL needs to get the Jazz to the WCF, which isn't gonna happen with this core group of players going forward

I think it is way to early to be debating the KOC v DL. KOC had a full career with repeated playoff runs and WCFs. Lindsey is new and was given a rebuilding team and is trying to develop what we have and build long term.

But as for this group of players not being enough...Favors adn Gobert are one of the best big defensive duos in the NBA. Defensively they are elite. Hayward willl be an allstar if he keeps up his current numbers. He is playing amazing basketball. Plus all three of them are still improving. Exum has the tools to be amazing but time will tell.

That didn't even get into Burks and Hood who have been injured and have lost out on this years development.

Plus the Jazz could have a great backup PG in Burke with a little improvement.

I think this core is going to be amazing. Especially if DL lands a coveted free agent and another great draft pick. (DL is doing geat with keeping drafted talent)

 

[MDAV28]

Haven't read through this before so sorry if it was mentioned but underrated part of the move IMO was the Steve Novak addition and subtraction. We acquired Steve Novak and New York's 2017 2nd rounder for Diante Garrett, paid Novak a few paychecks and then just slipped him into another deal. I always wondered why we acquired Novak if he wasn't really a part of the team plans at all, but now I see it probably was every intention just to put him in whatever trade we were going to do.

Btw, Garrett now plays for the Iowa Energy. It's nice to get something for nothing.

 

[Jazz4ever]

You can't be serious with this right? Jazz haven't sniffed the playoffs as a result of DL's direction. KOC built the 2nd greatest jazz squad that we'll ever see, and had us as consistent contenders for 3 years in a row. Let me know when DL builds a jazz team that makes it to the WCF. I hope DL rights the ship. But at this point it's OKAY to criticize some of his actions. How do you think he has done a better job than KOC?

Huh? They were semi conference fodder and were gifted that one trip to the WCF. If you know basketball, you know that team was hard capped because of zero interior defense. Fool's gold.
DL is building the team right, and already has the most important piece, an elite rim protector.

https://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

 

[b_line]

The one thing about this trade that has not been talked about is that Kanter is a replaceable player. Heck, we even have people on our roster who can replace his production easily. Give Rudy and Faves some more minutes, and Booker can pick up the rest. Kanter was taking us nowhere, and other teams realize that as well. The reason Kanter got traded for crap is because he was crap. Kanter is an inefficient scorer, with no passing whatsoever, and virtually no defense. His ceiling as a big minutes guy is Al Jefferson. That absolutely does not fit in with winning any playoff series, and certainly did not fit in with the way Quin is coaching this team.

If he contributes in OKC, it is not going to be the way he and his agent dream of, scoring in bunches while letting his teammates play defense while he stands around and acts like he is doing something. He will have to re invent himself as a role player and get the rebounds off of Durant and Westbrook's misses. That is, until Ibaka murders him for playing no defense.

 

[The Midnight]

The one thing about this trade that has not been talked about is that Kanter is a replaceable player. Heck, we even have people on our roster who can replace his production easily. Give Rudy and Faves some more minutes, and Booker can pick up the rest. Kanter was taking us nowhere, and other teams realize that as well. The reason Kanter got traded for crap is because he was crap. Kanter is an inefficient scorer, with no passing whatsoever, and virtually no defense. His ceiling as a big minutes guy is Al Jefferson. That absolutely does not fit in with winning any playoff series, and certainly did not fit in with the way Quin is coaching this team.

If he contributes in OKC, it is not going to be the way he and his agent dream of, scoring in bunches while letting his teammates play defense while he stands around and acts like he is doing something. He will have to re invent himself as a role player and get the rebounds off of Durant and Westbrook's misses. That is, until Ibaka murders him for playing no defense.

DL said he was surprised by a few things this season which changed his long-term plan:


1) Emergence of Hayward

2) Emergence of Gobert at the C position

3) Emergence of Favors at the PF position with PF offensive/defensive skills


May be Kanter was in their long term plan at one point, but he no longer is and they need to go a different direction. I thought this is a pretty major turning point in our rebuild.


We now have the option of adding a solid FA to our core group and start competing. We weren't in a position to do that at the start of the season.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

...DL is building the team right, and already has the most important piece, an elite rim protector.

Aside from pulling Gobert out his arse that one draft, what has DL done right? Dump salary and stockpile 2nd rounders? The only other guys on the team that can play are Hayward and Favors.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Huh? They were semi conference fodder...

How do you describe the team now? Lottery fodder?

 

[My2Cents]

DL said he was surprised by a few things this season which changed his long-term plan:


1) Emergence of Hayward

2) Emergence of Gobert at the C position

3) Emergence of Favors at the PF position with PF offensive/defensive skills


May be Kanter was in their long term plan at one point, but he no longer is and they need to go a different direction. I thought this is a pretty major turning point in our rebuild.


We now have the option of adding a solid FA to our core group and start competing. We weren't in a position to do that at the start of the season.

This is Rudy's fault for getting too good too soon. Oh yeah, and it's Ty Corbin's fault.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Aside from pulling Gobert out his arse that one draft, what has DL done right? Dump salary and stockpile 2nd rounders? The only other guys on the team that can play are Hayward and Favors.

signed three fair contracts for Burks, Hayward, and Favors. Matching Hayward was unpopular-- and it's proven to have been brilliant.