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Kanter v. Valanciunas

Who will you rather pick with the #3 pick?

  • Kanter

    Votes: 35 83.3%

  • Valanciunas

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Total voters
    42
Greetings, Gents.

I voted JV. IMO Kanter's best position is PF and will be redundant with the current group, which I want to be kept intact for the most part. I like the idea of bringing him along at a somewhat measured pace as the team focuses on Favors' development. By the time Sap and Big Al's contracts are up we should have a very good idea of how good Fav and JV are going to be. Waiting for him a year while he gets starter minutes in the EL would actually be a bonus in a lockout year, and he won't get great minutes in Utah next year regardless.

Ideal situation would be trading down with WAS and taking him at 6, but I don't know how realistic it is to expect CLE to pass on him at 4.

Cheers.
 
Hantlers said:
He has more to lose by playing. We also don't know if it's his decision. Obviously we as fans hate that he's not really working out much, but from a business stand-point it is a solid decision. I wouldn't take much from him not working out to be honest.
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By dominating the NHS again, he would have been the consensus number 1 pick, considering how much attention the first one brought him (that ONE game got half of this board pulling for him, for example). Now he is anywhere from 3 to 6. If the agent is 100% confident about his abilities and how good he will play in an organized game, that's quite significant amount of money he's giving up.
 
Zerol said:
By dominating the NHS again, he would have been the consensus number 1 pick, considering how much attention the first one brought him (that ONE game got half of this board pulling for him, for example). Now he is anywhere from 3 to 6. If the agent is 100% confident about his abilities and how good he will play in an organized game, that's quite significant amount of money he's giving up.
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What if he has a terrible game? Then he could fall. It's risk versus reward. There was very little reward in him playing again. Maybe it makes him the consensus number 1 pick. There was a lot of risk. This decision was a wise one by his agent.
 
NCJazz said:
Still go with Kanter slightly, but JV's contract situation is apparenlty on the cusp of being resolved. Should be able to come over next year.

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
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The actual link to the piece is actually Hoopsworld. Here is the link: https://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=20036#ixzz1OXBvKDhp

Since it is a free site I think I can post this (right?):

Valanciunas' Buyout: There continues to be debate on the value of Jonas Valanciunas.

Valanciunas does not have a stated buyout in his current deal with Lietuvos Rytas, however both Jonas and his club are negotiating terms of a buyout now and there is a belief both sides will have a deal in place before the NBA Draft takes place.

Sources close to this situation say the deal will look something like this: Whatever team drafts Jonas will pay Lietuvos Rytas a $500,000 buyout, the maximum allowed under the current Collective Bargaining Agreement. Valanciunas will agree to pay a percentage of his first NBA contract to Lietuvos Rytas based on a sliding scale depending on where he gets drafted.

Lietuvos Rytas is reportedly hurting for cash, and the buyout terms being talked about are acceptable according to sources, they are simply working through the language and the details.

Unlike Ricky Rubio who had a defined buyout amount in his deal, Valanciunas does not meaning Lietuvos Rytas couldn't hold him hostage quite like DKV Joventut did with Rubio.

That does not mean there are not concerns surrounding Valanciunas, hence the urgency for both sides to reach a deal.
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And it seems like I read that if there's a lockout Rytas will let JV continue to play in Europe until it's resolved. At which time he'd be allowed to join his NBA team. At least that's what I remember. Sorry not to provide a link. I don't feel like it.
 
trigg3r said:
What if he has a terrible game? Then he could fall. It's risk versus reward. There was very little reward in him playing again. Maybe it makes him the consensus number 1 pick. There was a lot of risk. This decision was a wise one by his agent.
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Hence the doubt of his abilities. Look I am not trying to argue if he should play in the NHS or not, but I am amazed how people here are so sure that he is going to be the real deal when he has not played a game in 1.5 years and chose not to play in one when he had a chance. If it is that risky for him to play in an exhibition game, it is so much more risky for the Jazz to spend a 3rd pick on him.
 
Zerol said:
Hence the doubt of his abilities. Look I am not trying to argue if he should play in the NHS or not, but I am amazed how people here are so sure that he is going to be the real deal when he has not played a game in 1.5 years and chose not to play in one when he had a chance. If it is that risky for him to play in an exhibition game, it is so much more risky for the Jazz to spend a 3rd pick on him.
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It is going to be risky no matter who we pick at 3. JMO. He didn't play the NHS because his agent told him not to. No more or less.
 
If neither JV or Favors develop much more offensively we would be sort of screwed despite great D. Close but I'll go with Kanter.
 
I like both players but I have to wonder who is more injury prone?

JV is a big skinny dude and from Europe. The Jazz have had trouble with skinny players and European players staying injury free.

Kanter had worries about his knees. They checked out fine at the Draft combine but that still doesn't settle the matter. Big guys like him tend to have knee trouble or feet or both.

Seems to me that Knight is probably the safest pick for Jazz. That would mean they might as well trade down to 4 and pick up another asset to get him, depending on who wants Kanter and how the draft plays out, 1-2.
 
Guitaro said:
I like both players but I have to wonder who is more injury prone?

JV is a big skinny dude and from Europe. The Jazz have had trouble with skinny players and European players staying injury free.

Kanter had worries about his knees. They checked out fine at the Draft combine but that still doesn't settle the matter. Big guys like him tend to have knee trouble or feet or both.

Seems to me that Knight is probably the safest pick for Jazz. That would mean they might as well trade down to 4 and pick up another asset to get him, depending on who wants Kanter and how the draft plays out, 1-2.
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You don't ever win anything playing it safe though. The Jazz have to aim for superstar potential now that Deron is gone.
 
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