Kings at Jazz, Jan 27 2014 7pm Game Thread

[DutchJazzer]

And I'll keep it even simpler. Richard plays SF. Alec plays SG. Apples and oranges.



Why? Why is 30 a magical number, except that we use a decimal system? Why would 30 be acceptable, but 29 is a travesty, and you hate the Jazz, and don't want to watch the games, and the whole season is ruined? What rational explanation do you have for picking that number?

there is no difference between sg and sf.
burks and hawayrd couls tart at sg and sf
while hayward and marv backing those up.

 

[Hitman]

The since 2014 stat would be more meaningful if it didn't include several games where Hayward was injured and Corbin was forced to play Burks more. I think it's grossly unfair to use clearly non-representative data points to argue for a general trend.

Okay then - Richard Jefferson's total minutes (and therefore, his mpg) are inflated by the fact he is one of only two Jazz players to appear in every game, and he also has been the beneficiary of extra minutes that would normally go to the missing players - just like Burks, who is the only other player to play in every contest. Jefferson's mpg numbers for January - like Burks' - also rose slightly from his December totals, and this is attributable to the extra minutes available at SF due to Hayward's injury.

In January, Burks averaged 29.4 mpg, Jefferson 26.5 mpg, so Burks has logged 3 minutes/game more than Jefferson this month. If we go back to December, before Hayward's injury, then AB clocked up 27.8 mpg that month while RJ logged 24.5 mpg. The result is the same as January - Burks was logging 3 minutes/game more than Jefferson then, too. That difference wasn't altered by Hayward's injury. I'd say that proves a trend.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Okay then - Richard Jefferson's total minutes (and therefore, his mpg) are inflated by the fact he is one of only two Jazz players to appear in every game, and he also has been the beneficiary of extra minutes that would normally go to the missing players - just like Burks, who is the only other player to play in every contest. Jefferson's mpg numbers for January - like Burks' - also rose slightly from his December totals, and this is attributable to the extra minutes available at SF due to Hayward's injury.

In January, Burks averaged 29.4 mpg, Jefferson 26.5 mpg, so Burks has logged 3 minutes/game more than Jefferson this month. If we go back to December, before Hayward's injury, then AB clocked up 27.8 mpg that month while RJ logged 24.5 mpg. The result is the same as January - Burks was logging 3 minutes/game more than Jefferson then, too. That difference wasn't altered by Hayward's injury. I'd say that proves a trend.

That would seem to be correct. Thanks for the extra info.

Now let's see if we can edge that trend up a bit more and get the Core 5 playing more together when it counts, including Hayward with Burks and Kanter with Favors.

 

[Primetime]

- I hate the minute distribution overall but especilly the minutes of Rudy and JL3
- Love the AST% from our two wings, Treys number could be a little higher and nice to see Derrick with some AST
- Forget to highlight the REB% from Enes. That's bad! Gotta do a better job
- The eFG%s are terrible(besides Enes) but I like that TS% from Derrick
- Don't like that USG% much. Marvin takn dem shots like there is no tomorrow

That ain't no horror film, that's reality. These are the adv. stats for the 3rd quarter. This win feels like it is 70% because of the 3rd quarter play of RJ and Marvin. I don't mind if this team win ball games( I prefer them to lose but still I don't mind it) but it should be a byproduct of development and PT for the core guys(yeah, yeah Derrick, Gordon and Trey played good minutes in the 3rd). This win just don't feel that way but maybe it's just me. Idk.

 

[orangello]

How were we not a better team last year with all of this talent?

This.

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[orangello]

I, and I suspect may others, am not mourning the win; I'm frustrated the fact that it was achieved by playing loaner veterans heavy minutes at the expense of what is presumably the future core of the team. I can live with moving out of the high lottery if it's the young core playing together and winning.

This

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[orangello]

The Jazz have decided that Hayward is a SG.

Except that Hayward plays almost half his minutes at SF.

Go on, keep trolling.

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[jope]

Except that Hayward plays almost half his minutes at SF.

Go on, keep trolling.

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this. 82games.com has hayward at SF about 35% percent of the time on the court,

AND their data shows that this is the most effective lineup for the jazz (by far):
Burke-Burks-Hayward-Williams-Favors (burks at the 2, hayward at the 3)

 

[SojoDave]

For the love of God, I can't figure out Corbin. This is now the third year in a row where we've had to endure his fondness for playing ST loaner veterans over younger, presumably core players. I honestly can't think of any legit reason why RJ should be getting so much playing time at the expense of Burks, or why Kanter can't get consistent starter-like minutes. If Williams is in the Jazz longer-term plans that's one thing, but no way in hell RJ is. The whole things feels so sysiphusian. Just when we think we've got that veteran boulder at the top of the hill, it rolls back down and we have to do the damned thing all over again. I so want this to end and for the Jazz to get about the business of playing for the future. I just don't see any indication that Corbin's ever going to change, and I'm tired of it, and I've lost my patience. Corbin's a decent man, possibly a decent coach, but he needs to go. One cannot help but get the feeling watching the Suns that Hornacek would have done this differently and better. It's a depressingly frustrating thought.

Tell us how you really feel

 

[fishonjazz]

I, and I suspect may others, am not mourning the win; I'm frustrated the fact that it was achieved by playing loaner veterans heavy minutes at the expense of what is presumably the future core of the team.

And that it was such a boring game to watch

 

[fishonjazz]

One of whom is the only backup we have at PG.

Diante garret silly goose

 

[fishonjazz]

I'll keep it simple. RJ played 23 minutes tonight, Burks played 21. Two things here: (1) RJ should not play more minutes than Burks, (2) Burks should be playing at least 30 minutes per game on average. At this point, there is simply no valid reason in my mind that Burks should be playing only 21 minutes per game and fewer minutes than RJ. Burks has earned more PT, but for some reason Corbin doggedly refuses to give it to him. I can imagine Burks frustrated wondering just what he has to do to earn more PT--I'm wondering the same thing.

Kanter has been playing very well for the most part as of late. He was a highly efficient 6-8 tonight. This combined with his recently promising trend earned him all of 22 minutes. Even more so than Burks, we absolutely have to know what we have with Kanter and whether he can play with Favors and whether he fits in the puzzle. How his is being used simply will not answer these questions.

As I've said many times, IF the objective this year is to see what we have for the future, Corbin is going about it the wrong way in my opinion. You can disagree. That's fine with me.

This is the problem jim.