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kobe or bron?

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Kobe?

He's a better version of Vince Carter. Ok ok that might be too harsh. But Kobe is a tier lower than Lebron and Jordan. I might even throw Timmy into that top tier.

Lebron is a mix of the GOAT and Magic. This finals performance of his cements him as #2. If he somehow comes back to win I'll gladly give him the GOAT title. Kobe would have been swept and poured in game 4. I don't think even the GOAT would've survived this series. Not with your alternative options being Mosgov, Delly, and JR Smith.

What Lebron is doing is like that player I created in 2k would have done. It's not his fault his dumbass GM traded wiggins for Love or passed up on a Faves and Exum trade. It's not his fault Kelly Olenick is an idiot or that Kyrie is made of glass.
 
The Thriller said:
LOL!

Kobe?

He's a better version of Vince Carter. Ok ok that might be too harsh. But Kobe is a tier lower than Lebron and Jordan. I might even throw Timmy into that top tier.

Lebron is a mix of the GOAT and Magic. This finals performance of his cements him as #2. If he somehow comes back to win I'll gladly give him the GOAT title. Kobe would have been swept and poured in game 4. I don't think even the GOAT would've survived this series. Not with your alternative options being Mosgov, Delly, and JR Smith.

What Lebron is doing is like that player I created in 2k would have done. It's not his fault his dumbass GM traded wiggins for Love or passed up on a Faves and Exum trade. It's not his fault Kelly Olenick is an idiot or that Kyrie is made of glass.
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if 'making others better' is a criteria then IMO magic #1, bron #2. tha's a good argument on its own. i have no problem with that. but like i said above, making others better / taking a bad team to a final - really is just a part of the argument for me. because IMO, MJ wasn't the greatest at making others better. i guess making others better really is bron's greatest strength. in kobe's point of view, it's not be all and end all argument because there are other arguments.

having said all that, i just think Bron did more and brought more uniqueness to this game. he just does everything so well. his shooting took a hit in this playoffs, but previously he was shooting very high %. and i just love his efficiency. kobe is not the most efficient player. many people find kobe and MJ similar, but MJ was efficient as hell. i just think bron is a total package. kobe might be a better scorer and if i need somebody to step up in 4th qtr, i'll probably take kobe. but i'll build a franchise around bron. and i have bron in my top 5 already. kobe is 8-10th ish.
 
I like Lebron better as a player and I think his game will age much better than Kobe's.

Here is a major point I like.

Lebron career ast = 6.9
Kobe career ast = 4.8

Lebron is clearly a better team player imo. Kobe clearly has a better killer instinct.
 
Stoked said:
I like Lebron better as a player and I think his game will age much better than Kobe's.

Here is a major point I like.

Lebron career ast = 6.9
Kobe career ast = 4.8

Lebron is clearly a better team player imo. Kobe clearly has a better killer instinct.
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i really think assist argument is just an apples and oranges comparison. kobe is asked to score. he is a prolific scorer. bron is also great at scoring too, but bron always has been pass first guy. what's amazing about bron is he passes first yet he still gets his 27-29pts average.

and i think it's all about mentality. MJ was asked to involve more guys in 89 season. in 2 months span he was averaging triple double. that year i think he was putting up 32/8/8. and MJ did that just to prove his point because he was perceived as a 'ballhog' 'selfish' player. kobe to does this time to time. i think hobbled kobe in past 2-3 seasons had a stretches where he was just looking to pass and not score. but result was same. a big L, and 18/10/10 kobe wasn't anymore effective than 28/5/5 kobe.

i think guys like kobe/MJ/harden/drexler/wade, etc, etc are classic 2 guards where they demand double team and score at will even though team spends hours of preparation of stopping them. i think bron is at his best where he just completely controls the offense and just pick and choose his shots. MJ/kobes are at their best when they are determined to score and just make defenses shiver in fear by attacking the defense.
 
Lebron and it's not even close.

The only argument Kobe homers spout out is number of titles, which is easily refuted by Robert Horry, etc. They're even in terms of Finals MVPs, so that tells you something. And Lebron might be ahead in that category even if he doesn't win the Championship this year.
 
I dont actually like either player. Personality wise I think they are both awful to be around or hear speak. Kobe got funny and more like-able the last few years but back in his prime... Every year I think Lebron is not as bad as I think because I have a few huge Lebron homer fans that talk him up and what a good guy he is then I watch him play or hear him talk and its the worse thing ever.

Players only want to play around Lebron and for that matter Kobe in his prime because they want to win. If they werent helping win championships no one wants to play with them. Look at Kobe the last 3 seasons.

That said this board is the worse place to ask this question because Jazz fans hate Lakers more than any other team. Jazz fans are used to making the argument about championships not mattering as much to justify how good a player is or is not about Stockton and Malone.
 
spycam1 said:
The only argument Kobe homers spout out is number of titles, which is easily refuted by Robert Horry, etc.
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No it isnt.

A role player being on a series of of championship teams is not a good argument against Kobes titles, he was not a role player on those championships.

But if you think Lebron is better thats fine, I lean towards Kobe but in my mind its a decent argument.

Now those who compare Lebron to Jordan, I think that is a joke of an argument, disrespectful to Jordan. But we always like the current generation of players, what have you done for me lately.
 
I feel like prime Kobe would have had a better shot of beating the Warriors given the same team. Not saying he is a better player, but the lack of confidence James showed in his jumper throughout the finals was laughable.
 
Broncster said:
Lebron has won without all-stars next to him? He has only won when he formed his own "dream team" in Miami. Plus he lost with his dream team in the finals. How many championship series did Kobe lose?

Sorry stats dont really mean much to me. Kobe and Lebron could put up way better numbers and even win more than Jordan but they are not better. The same for Kobe and Lebron for me. Kobe had an elite way of stepping up when really needed and won when the crunch was on. Kobe was unstoppable in this league in his prime when he needed to win. Lebron is putting up a good fight in this series but just stat stuffing the last couple games. Kobe would be guarding Curry if he was playing this game at the end of every quarter and when he got hot. Lebron doesnt have the desire that other greats had, he just likes to pimp himself after losses and complain about how he was treated in the game.
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Don't forget collapsing on the floor from sheer exhaustion due to the amazing way he apparently does lots of things, or something.


Also, custom built dream-team consisting of 2 proven all-stars AND LeBron failed to get it done for half of the years he was in Miami, even after adding a 4th all-star for the final attempt. Not the best way to build a legacy.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Also, custom built dream-team consisting of 2 proven all-stars AND LeBron failed to get it done for half of the years he was in Miami, even after adding a 4th all-star for the final attempt. Not the best way to build a legacy.
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This will hurt his legacy the most. Leaving his hometown and team that drafted him to make a handpicked custom team build to win not 1.... then going .500. I dont think any other great in the prime of their career like Lebron was would have lost those series. If lebron had won those 2 things would be different. But I dont know if winning a couple more will change what happened for me in Miami. Plus after bailing on his hometown for a better team, he bailed on his friends and custom built team to go to what he thought was a better team. He didnt go to Cleveland because he missed it, he went because he saw more of an opportunity to win.
 
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