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orangello

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Here are some tweets about the new policy in regards to sign and trades. (That is if this thing is agreed upon.)




WindhorstESPN In reading the leaked CBA proposal, there's huge defeat in there for Magic, Hornets & Nets if Howard, Paul & D. Williams reject extensions




WindhorstESPN 1. There's no franchise player tag. 2. There are no extend-&-trades. Even if a player is traded, can't extend contract for 6 months. So...




WindhorstESPN It would kill trade value of Howard, Paul and/or Williams because teams couldn't be assured they could trade for them & keep long term.




WindhorstESPN Waiting to sign ext. for max-level FAs like Howard & Paul will cost them 4%/yr in raises but NBA hasn't reduced max deals as once threatened




WindhorstESPN Just a proposal, not a deal yet. But seeing where the sides are, I vote Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor a winner for dealing D.Will last year.
 
I was really taken back when I was sitting at work and I got a text saying that the Jazz had traded DWill. I thought that the Jazz were doomed. I was actually a closet Devin Harris fan and I liked what I had heard about Favors, but losing DWill seemed like too much. Now, after the draft and what the new CBA could look like, the Jazz might have been the smartest team in the league. They could possibly be set up to be a team that could be a top contender for a long time. There are a lot of "ifs" in that statement but I am an optimist when it comes to the Jazz.
 
I'm debating on whether I should wait for KOC BEGONE to post in this thread before I neg rep him, or if I should be proactive and just go neg rep one of his posts in another thread at random.
 
freakazoid said:
I'm debating on whether I should wait for KOC BEGONE to post in this thread before I neg rep him, or if I should be proactive and just go neg rep one of his posts in another thread at random.
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The second option seems much more satisfying.
 
I'm sure this is nothing new here, but when that deal went down I breathed a huge sigh of relief.

KOC was very proactive with that and while it has yet to pay off what was happening at the time was very far from acceptable.

I love DWill the player but he is and always has been an extremely bipolar guy. I do not believe he can lead a team to a championship. He just isn't grounded enough. If NJ gets another blue chip player that is so good DWill accepts their leadership then they win. Hard to see that happening though.
 
freakazoid said:
I'm debating on whether I should wait for KOC BEGONE to post in this thread before I neg rep him, or if I should be proactive and just go neg rep one of his posts in another thread at random.
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Nice zinger.
Like orangello, I was absolutely stunned when my brother called me and said Deron had been traded. I thought I was being punked. But as the details came out, I knew KOC had done the right thing. He got a great deal and it was BEFORE the new CBA. Could Deron's value been a bit higher this season? Perhaps. But it would have meant a Carmelo/Paul type circus every night. KOC got his man (Favors), the team has had more time to assimilate him and Harris, and the Jazz didn't have to worry about the impact of a new CBA. Yep, it was a smart, smart move by KOC.
 
Not quite a genius; he wasn't the one that actually proposed the deal, it was NJ. Had NJ not proposed, he may have sat on his hands and we would be losing DWill for nothing now.
 
Good move to rebuild the team around Favors and two other lotto picks. Getting Burks is a plus. The way D.Will was playing, the Jazz did a good job of selling high with the trade. The market for him wasn't going to get much hotter. Obviously the Jazz like Favors and felt that a dominant big is more important than a dominant PG....or at least a dominant big is more difficult to get. I'm sure they were also looking ahead at the coming lotteries where they would have NJ's and GS's picks.
 
Just imagine had we not made that trade. we would have no favors, no kanter, no harris, and possibly even no burks becasue maybe we would have been better with D-will and gotten stuck with one of the morris twins!! also we would have no golden state pick this next draft and by the time the lockout ends, we'd have no D-will!!! holy cow... i think that deal shaved off a good 3 to 4 years of rebuilding and sucking it up night in and night out!!!!
 
Basketball_Romantic23 said:
Just imagine had we not made that trade. we would have no favors, no kanter, no harris, and possibly even no burks becasue maybe we would have been better with D-will and gotten stuck with one of the morris twins!! also we would have no golden state pick this next draft and by the time the lockout ends, we'd have no D-will!!! holy cow... i think that deal shaved off a good 3 to 4 years of rebuilding and sucking it up night in and night out!!!!
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Basketball_Romantic23 said:
Just imagine had we not made that trade. we would have no favors, no kanter, no harris, and possibly even no burks becasue maybe we would have been better with D-will and gotten stuck with one of the morris twins!! also we would have no golden state pick this next draft and by the time the lockout ends, we'd have no D-will!!! holy cow... i think that deal shaved off a good 3 to 4 years of rebuilding and sucking it up night in and night out!!!!
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I don't think we would have been much better - if at all. DWill was an injured malcontent who had already stopped running the plays. In fact, after starting off 27-13, Jazz then went 4-13 WITH Deron before the trade. So just slightly over .500, and on a downward spiral with a cancer in the locker room and a coaching staff and team in disarray. Hard to see the Jazz do much better than 8-17 over those last 25 games, especially given Deron's injury.


But yes, I do agree the rebuilding might be 3-4 years ahead of where it could have been. Of course, there's no telling what we could have received for Deron had we held on to him. Personally, I really like what KOC did receive and I'm glad he pulled the trigger. In any case, I think the Jazz have been very fortunate that both Hayward and Favors look to be solid starters, with Derrick a potential franchise player. If that happens, getting just Favors straight up for Deron would have been a steal. And if Kanter can become what we hoped Fesenko would...a big physical presence inside...oh man, I hope we only lose 1 season. But these legal battles could easily extend into next year.
 
Hoping the rank-and-file NBA guys start a revolt. They are being horribly represented by their 'leaders', who aren't operating in the average players' best interest at all!
KOC has handled a couple difficult situations with a lot of class and in the teams best interest, which is his job. First, AK, then DWill. Not many GM's could have pulled this off as well as KoC did, IMO...
 
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