Kyrie to Utah?

[fishonjazz]

Yes, but when you have an All-Star on the floor who is supposedly as good as Irving, he should be able to lead a unit better. It is strange.

What kind of sample size we talking about? Lebron averaged 38 minutes per game last season and kyrie averaged 35. I know they both start together. and finish the game together. How many minutes per game is kyrie on the court with lebron on the bench? Im curious.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To a point I agree that Irving is selfish, but as NBA fans isnt this what we should want?

We complain about "super teams" and those only exist because of unselfishness of star players. Don't we want it to become more in vogue to do what Irving is doing? We should hope Klay Thompson has a similar line of thought when he becomes a free agent.

No matter what these guys do we will kill them as fans. Or at least one section of the crowd will hate what they do.

Guys will talk about winning championships and guys should sacrifice them a minut later call KD weak for wanting to join up to greatness.

These guys need to do what they want... there are drawbacks with all situations. This one is a little curious but I get it... I guess.

 

[fishonjazz]

Except fans who like to win and don't have Lebron James on their team.

You wanted to keep hayward iirc. Look at all those amazing seasons the jazz had with him being the best player on the team. Hell, i think the jazz win percentage was better when hayward missed games for injury/sickness than when he played. He wasn't too good without gobert. I guess that means we shouldn't want him on the team (especially at his much larger salary)
Silly guy.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

What kind of sample size we talking about? Lebron averaged 38 minutes per game last season and kyrie averaged 35. I know they both start together. and finish the game together. How many minutes per game is kyrie on the court with lebron on the bench? Im curious.

Also if kyrie is playing with second unit then that means he is playing with bench players while James gets the benefit of playing with starters. You win this argument and Saint showing how clueless he is about the sport of bball

 

[fishonjazz]

Kyrie is only making 19 million and then 20 million per year too. Some jazz fans think that Hood and favors will get that much lol.
Bargain.

 

[olden_undercover]

To a point I agree that Irving is selfish, but as NBA fans isnt this what we should want?

We complain about "super teams" and those only exist because of unselfishness of star players. Don't we want it to become more in vogue to do what Irving is doing? We should hope Klay Thompson has a similar line of thought when he becomes a free agent.

I totally hate how right you are about this, Cy. I mean, we sit here in SLC shaking our tiny fists at how bad super teams are for the NBA, but I think the league office just might disagree-- not to mention the fans of Miami a few years ago, and Golden State's fans right now. Houston fans will probably have something to say about that idea, too, and fans of no-team-in-particular who tune in to catch a game now and then, and don't care about watching San Antonio or Utah play the game "the right way". This is a product and an environment we're stuck with, because it makes obscene amounts of money for everyone IN the league and entertains the fans in most markets. We complain about it not as NBA fans, but as small-market Jazz fans who will probably always be part of a vast minority.

Edit: Not trying to be negative about the Jazz, btw-- always been a fan, always will be, and I hope we have a terrific run with the players we have who clearly want to be here!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Kyrie might fit on the court, but he won't want to be here and I'm sure he'd be a problem... then you factor in what we'd have to trade for him and it is an easy pass for me.

 

[olden_undercover]

Kyrie might fit on the court, but he won't want to be here and I'm sure he'd be a problem... then you factor in what we'd have to trade for him and it is an easy pass for me.

Exactly. I'm not sure how this thread got this long, frankly-- it should have died the second he announced the teams he was interested in being traded to. Offseason threads, though.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I'm not arguing what it would take to get him or how hard it would be to re-sign him I'm arguing that someone would have to be an idiot not to want him or to think he sucks.

Would I want him for free, yes, but I'm not a fan of how he plays basketball and how he has created a rift between him and the best player in basketball because he wants to be the man. He just isn't into team, more into himself. At least that's my perception of him. I don't think people really think he sucks, just something people like to say about players they aren't fans of.

You wanted to keep hayward iirc. Look at all those amazing seasons the jazz had with him being the best player on the team. Hell, i think the jazz win percentage was better when hayward missed games for injury/sickness than when he played. He wasn't too good without gobert. I guess that means we shouldn't want him on the team (especially at his much larger salary)
Silly guy.

All those seasons the jazz were rebuilding with incredibly young players, with players learning to play and win, Hayward included, he got better every year in the league, and last year he helped lead the jazz to 51 wins!!

As for your assertion that the jazz were better without Hayward, I don't buy it. It was a small sample size. I recall Hayward missing a game in Cleveland two years ago. Lyles stepped up and played a huge role, and Hood came through with his best game all year. Hood was also good to begin the year with Hayward out, Hayward came back and the jazz got on a role till Hill got hurt and missed a ton of games. Had Hayward been out for an extended amount of time things would've broken down and the jazz would've struggled.

Also if kyrie is playing with second unit then that means he is playing with bench players while James gets the benefit of playing with starters. You win this argument and Saint showing how clueless he is about the sport of bball

Doesn't that also mean he's playing against the other teams bench? Evens out a little

I totally hate how right you are about this, Cy. I mean, we sit here in SLC shaking our tiny fists at how bad super teams are for the NBA, but I think the league office just might disagree-- not to mention the fans of Miami a few years ago, and Golden State's fans right now. Houston fans will probably have something to say about that idea, too, and fans of no-team-in-particular who tune in to catch a game now and then, and don't care about watching San Antonio or Utah play the game "the right way". This is a product and an environment we're stuck with, because it makes obscene amounts of money for everyone IN the league and entertains the fans in most markets. We complain about it not as NBA fans, but as small-market Jazz fans who will probably always be part of a vast minority.

Can I blame this on espn?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

In 635 minutes with Irving on the court and James off last season, the Cavaliers were a minus-120, per ESPN's Tom Haberstroh. In eight games with Irving and no James, they were 0-8

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[Witty Username]

Irving shot more than Lebron last season

 

[Getting Traded]

Also if kyrie is playing with second unit then that means he is playing with bench players while James gets the benefit of playing with starters. You win this argument and Saint showing how clueless he is about the sport of bball

Not sure this is correct. I recall LeBron playing a lot with four bench players and playing the point forward.