Las Vegas Summer League thread

[slc]

Jazz did bring in some players that could play small ball
but they also now have Rudy, Hassan, and Udoka who looks ready to play
Jazz may decide to give a heavy dose of 48 minute rim protection and defensive rebounding
Jazz and Quin may decide other team will only get one shot per possession
That may put great pressure on other team to make shots
Time will tell what Quin will do

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This all sounds great but was quin his coach last year?
I will believe it when I see it

Ya I mean small ball was destroying us. We had ersan that could play small ball. We played zero minutes total of small ball in the playoffs.

Gay >>>>>>>>>>> Ersan

I get why folks are resistant but Quin never had real tools to play small ball 5. Rudy defends in space… rebounds… can shoot and if you close hard he can punish you on drives. In the playoffs we will go small… Quin can hit the road if he doesn’t try it.

 

[Miggs]

I feel like you haven’t watched the playoffs in a while. Playoffs get smaller and more skilled as they get to the later rounds. Bobby Portis, Torrey Craig, Nic Batum, etc become your backup centers… Warriors go with Green at center a lot more… PJ Tucker becomes a stretch 5. I think it’s the opposite… you see us play 5 minutes or so a night without a traditional center in the regular season… in the playoffs it goes to 10+ depending on matchup and how effective Rudy is.

I also am not so sure about 10+. How many teams went 10+? The Bucks had like 8 playable guys.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I also am not so sure about 10+. How many teams went 10+? The Bucks had like 8 playable guys.

Phoenix did with Saric like all year… then shifted based on what was left after injury. Clips for sure did. Denver does a version of this with Jamychal Green. Portland did with RoCo. It’s not something for every series… but in many series it would be a big advantage. Lakers don’t go “small” per se but they try to get to five out by playing AD at center.

Quin hasn’t had anyone nearly as qualified to do this as he does now. Quin is slow to change… but eventually he changes. Remember a few years ago playing Houston he ditched the Favs Rudy starting lineup.

Honestly DL may have saved his job by handing Quin a guy like Jamychal Green and giving him a five out option and then pointing to it later as a sign of Quin being too rigid and limited. Quin had garbage for versatility options on the bench outside of Joe. Niang is a good shooter but not much else there… Favs is a fine backup but has the same limitations that Rudy does and the benefits are far less.

Im very confident that we see small ball lineups during the year and in the playoffs. All the noise points to JZ, Quin, and others being on the same page. It is not hard at all to understand why Quin has been so rigid given the issues with DL the last 18-24 months. Why would you deviate from something that is winning when you are in a power struggle you might lose. Quin also watched Bud change up and win a title.

After the first round of the playoffs you will not see a traditional big as a backup center unless the matchup dictates that it’s necessary.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Doke and Forrest are the only possible NBA players on our summer league roster.

God, the “me first” mentality of summer league makes it pretty unwatchable. Brantley is one of the worst offenders. I’m not at all sure what some of you see in Brantley, and I can’t believe the Jazz made him a QO. That dude’s still-pedestrian stats are nearly all empty calories.

Also noteworthy, Marcus Garrett is predictably tearing it up for the Heat by getting buckets and being a disruptor. Let all remember that I was the conductor on the Marcus Garrett train.

I just want Brantley and Oni gone. Signing an elite bench hypeman would be a better use of a roster spot than those two.

Brantley definitely not a me first guy. The only real me first guy on this SL team is Malachi Richardson. Everyone else has played pretty good team basketball considering it's SL.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ya I mean small ball was destroying us. We had ersan that could play small ball. We played zero minutes total of small ball in the playoffs.

Ersan can play small ball?

Ersan's thing was just floor stretching, not guarding. He's a significantly worse perimeter defender than Rudy.

 

[homeytennis]

Udoka played well. #42 had some good plays as well and shot well - the announcers were garbage when it came to saying who did what and so I don't remember his name.

Hopefully Forrest plays better - it wasn't awful but we all know he should have had less turnovers and shot better than 3-10. His one three bounced in which was nice and as usual his defense was good. Being a Forrest homer I look forward to better games.

The bad Trent brick mason returned with a vengeance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Brantley definitely not a me first guy. The only real me first guy on this SL team is Malachi Richardson. Everyone else has played pretty good team basketball considering it's SL.

Brantley and Forrest missed Udoka a couple times... Brantley set him up really nicely and Doke blew the finish once. Its not that guys are super selfish (outside of Richardson) its just that they don't have much incentive to make the right play if its a 50/50 situation ya know. Maybe its not so much me first as its they trying to show out and do too much. White has looked solid making normal role player basketball plays.

 

[Miggs]

Phoenix did with Saric like all year… then shifted based on what was left after injury. Clips for sure did. Denver does a version of this with Jamychal Green. Portland did with RoCo. It’s not something for every series… but in many series it would be a big advantage. Lakers don’t go “small” per se but they try to get to five out by playing AD at center.

Quin hasn’t had anyone nearly as qualified to do this as he does now. Quin is slow to change… but eventually he changes. Remember a few years ago playing Houston he ditched the Favs Rudy starting lineup.

Honestly DL may have saved his job by handing Quin a guy like Jamychal Green and giving him a five out option and then pointing to it later as a sign of Quin being too rigid and limited. Quin had garbage for versatility options on the bench outside of Joe. Niang is a good shooter but not much else there… Favs is a fine backup but has the same limitations that Rudy does and the benefits are far less.

Im very confident that we see small ball lineups during the year and in the playoffs. All the noise points to JZ, Quin, and others being on the same page. It is not hard at all to understand why Quin has been so rigid given the issues with DL the last 18-24 months. Why would you deviate from something that is winning when you are in a power struggle you might lose. Quin also watched Bud change up and win a title.

After the first round of the playoffs you will not see a traditional big as a backup center unless the matchup dictates that it’s necessary.

I’m not talking about all year. I’m talking about the playoffs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’m not talking about all year. I’m talking about the playoffs.

So am I... Most teams go smaller every year... I cited plenty of examples. We were the exception but if your choices are Ersan or Favs then most coaches will go with Favs. Ersan wasn't on an nba roster most of the year. Quin should have tried something but Ersan was only going to help the offense and the defense would have been worse.

 

[Miggs]

So am I... Most teams go smaller every year... I cited plenty of examples. We were the exception but if your choices are Ersan or Favs then most coaches will go with Favs. Ersan wasn't on an nba roster most of the year. Quin should have tried something but Ersan was only going to help the offense and the defense would have been worse.

I guess we’ll see. I’d imagine if Quin doesn’t go Gay and we’re being hurt, he’ll be fired.

 

[Miggs]

I’d love to see Garnett in today’s NBA. I feel like he had a good 18-20 footer. Feel like he would become what we thought Thon Maker could be. All the elite defense still but a three point shot too and low post game as well.