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LDS Church fined for contributions to Prop 8!! HA!

The Thriller, I will bestow upon you many blessings for being a great servant of the Lord. Keep spreading the word unto every man. Remember this: I love you. Not gay people.
 
And we have an early front runner for the "All-Time JazzFanz G2 Neanderthal Post." Good going Thriller.
 
The Thriller said:
I guess it's just easier to moan about civil rights instead of actually addressing the points raised in the post above. That's the problem with the homosexual movementarians, they like to throw rocks but don't provide an adequate base for their cause.
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Eh, it's been done before, so all that's left are the so called rocks.

Genetic issues have been brought up before. Spousal rights have been brought up before, but you probably already knew that and chose to ignore them.
 
KatieMCR said:
I actually have a lot of girlfriends. Shows how much you know about me.

Would you care to elaborate on why it is "wrong" for me to be angry about the LDS church working to strip American citizens of civil rights?
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Its people like you who bitch about this stuff all the time that make me hate some of the positions I agree with.
Clearly marriage is an opportunity (not a right, marriage isn't a right its a piece of paper) that should be extended to any two willing participants. However it's not. Just like war should be something that is inevitable when it happens and not governed by special interests, but its not.
Marriage does not guarantee or deny you any rights. Its a piece of paper for god's sake.
If you did your research you would know that the church believes in equal rights and equal viewing in the eyes of the law for gay couples, they just don't endorse gay marriage (because that would be hypocritical to "the plan" which is the foundation).

Quit looking for an enemy, because you were/are alienated by your sexual orientation. People who are different are going to be alienated. Hell I'm rediculously good looking... if I went to a Nascar race I would for sure be alienated, so I try to avoid as much as possible those awkward situations.

But you're just looking for a bone to pick.

If gay marriage became legal, I'm sure you'd be just as pissed off at something else that alienated you because of your orientation.
 
You'd be surprised how many people think just like Thriller. This is the propaganda being thrown around by those who oppose gay marriage. It's laughable and completely backwards.
 
It sure is wonderful the way people make assumptions about why I take the positions I do. Well that's why there's a saying about people who assume.

Your argument is the same "separate, but equal" garbage that people keep spewing. "Let's just give those pesky gays the same rights, but call it something DIFFERENT." That is the definition of separate, but equal. I don't need to argue that point anymore, as it has been done already in this thread.
 
Since we are on a new forum, I will state my position once again so it is clear. I do not consider myself gay. I identify as a straight transsexual woman. It is true that this influences my position on the gay marriage debate, but it is not my sole motivation. I have said it before. I believe in full equality for all. I will always argue on the side of equality.
 
KatieMCR said:
It sure is wonderful the way people make assumptions about why I take the positions I do. Well that's why there's a saying about people who assume.

Your argument is the same "separate, but equal" garbage that people keep spewing. "Let's just give those pesky gays the same rights, but call it something DIFFERENT." That is the definition of separate, but equal. I don't need to argue that point anymore, as it has been done already in this thread.
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You seem really upset with this fact that real life does not align with traditional american rhetoric... get used to it.
You also seem really upset with the fact that religions try to prevent things which go against their religion... do you also get pissed off that schools try to prevent non-learning in the youth demographic?
 
The-Joker said:
Its people like you who bitch about this stuff all the time that make me hate some of the positions I agree with.
Clearly marriage is an opportunity (not a right, marriage isn't a right its a piece of paper) that should be extended to any two willing participants. However it's not. Just like war should be something that is inevitable when it happens and not governed by special interests, but its not.
Marriage does not guarantee or deny you any rights. Its a piece of paper for god's sake.
If you did your research you would know that the church believes in equal rights and equal viewing in the eyes of the law for gay couples, they just don't endorse gay marriage (because that would be hypocritical to "the plan" which is the foundation).

Quit looking for an enemy, because you were/are alienated by your sexual orientation. People who are different are going to be alienated. Hell I'm rediculously good looking... if I went to a Nascar race I would for sure be alienated, so I try to avoid as much as possible those awkward situations.

But you're just looking for a bone to pick.

If gay marriage became legal, I'm sure you'd be just as pissed off at something else that alienated you because of your orientation.
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The LDS church doesn't have rights over the term "marriage." Why should they get to decide who can be married?
 
Katie - Your interpretation of the LDS Church's position on gay marriage is flawed. Their interest lies in the spiritual significance of "marriage", not it's civil implications. Ultimately it just comes down to the word. But it is that way for both sides. As I understand it, California already has a Domestic Partnership law in place - and that it covers the rights and privileges afforded to "married" couples. I actually linked to the law a couple of times on the old board - I will not do so now because those efforts were completely ignored.

I've stated that I feel it would be in everyone's best interest for the gov't to start recognizing only civil unions - let the term "marriage" be the religious equivalent. If a church wanted to "marry" gays or straights - whatever - that's their domain. But the state would recognize it - gay or straight - as a civil union. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone has the same rights.

BTW, it wasn't the mormons that carried prop 8. There aren't enough mormons in CA to pull that kind of thing off. And for the record:

The campaigns for and against Proposition 8 raised $39.9 million and $43.3 million, respectively.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
 
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