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LDS Church Supports Gay Marriage


The Thriller

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Is this a transactional move so that the church protects its temple ceremonies from the gays?

Or is this a slight change in view on “the gays?” I know that the doctrine forbidding gay marriage remains the same. But it honestly seems like this could be a pretty significant change from the same church just 14 years ago helped pass prop 8 in CA.
 


BabyPeterzz

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This is what anti-queer policy and language brings. You may not engage, but the institutions you choose to associate with and fund add to the fire.


Read the comment section in the article, if you dare.

Wake the **** up.


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The Thriller

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Pretty close to home, this one.



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So sad. I’m reminded that it was just a year or so ago when Holland spoke at BYU, angry over Matt Easton’s speech, and talked about “musket fire.” Obviously, I don’t think he meant for this to happen nor was this talk probably the sole reason for this disturbed person to commit such a horrible act. But it’s a reminder to me that words and attitudes have consequences. Leaders need to refrain from more “counterfeit marriages” and “musket fire” and “religious persecution” talk.

The LGBT hate growing up in the church was just disgusting. I remember clearly fundraising done to help pass prop 8. I remember some pretty hateful talks and testimonies. I just don’t know how anyone LGBT could grow up in the church and not suffer mentally and emotionally from it.

I really wish the church would completely change its policy towards LGBTs. I don’t believe the current hateful and divisive policy comes from god nor do I think it’s doing good for anybody.
 
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The Thriller

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I heard that he's a Deseret Nationalist. Which is apparently a thing.
#deznat actually is a huge thing. You haven’t heard of it? They’re (mormon) Christian nationalists. They consistent of normal members, politicians (Rep Trevor Lee and Sen John Johnson), and prominent members (Natalie Cline). They’ve united seamlessly with Trumpists and Trumpism as their enemies are the same. They use a lot of Cold War rhetoric spewed by John Birch supporting leaders like Reuben Clark, Cleon Skousen, and Ezra Taft. Especially Ezra Taft. Replace Benson’s paranoid JBS inspired rantings against the Civil Rights Movement and blacks with LGBTs and you have today’s deznat rhetoric.


He won his election and is now in the LDS legislature:

Cost this guy his job:

Seamlessly with Trump. The guy standing next to Roger Stone lost his primary but he still runs a podcast and participates a lot in Utah politics. Stone campaigned for him. This picture was taken at Thanksgiving point earlier this year.
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The Thriller

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I heard that he's a Deseret Nationalist. Which is apparently a thing.
Eric Moutsos is another one. Read the caption here. He was terminated from his job at the SLPD for refusing to work a gay pride parade. Ever since then he’s dedicated his life to being a Deznat troll.
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The Thriller

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State school board Natalie Cline and Greg Smith (city councilman of Ogden I think?). Deznat is huge but I suspect a lot of the population is so used to this type of rhetoric that they don’t notice it. Just read the lyrics of hymn 246, “Onward Christian Soldiers” and see how easily that could be used to incite hate and violence.

What do you think this does to a population that believes its leaders and church are the only true ones in the world while they’re told that LGBTs are sick, perverted, and evil? It might not lead to night club shootings but I fail to see how this helps anything. Even members are turning against each other. Here in this, the seminary class tries to make LGBTs feel comfortable and the LDS state board member puts them on blast on her social media platform that reaches thousands. In the past, when Cline has put schools on blast, websites crash after so many emails, phone calls, and death threats are made.

How does this help anything?

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