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Leaving Los Angeles

This won't be popular: don't move to SLC. I think it's actually a terrible place for kids because of how homogeneous it is, and how loudly morality is turned up in the mix. Adults think this is great, but it creates a lot of gaps where kids are unkind to their peers and poor at handling the pressures. Add to this the fact that there's nothing to do except hike, rock climb, and ski... that's 98% of everything. Oh, and Jazz games.
 
I've known several Mormons from out of state who move to Utah and leave the church. Their comment is that the Mormons in Utah are different than the Mormons outside of Utah and it's a bit of a shock for them.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];649091 said:
This won't be popular: don't move to SLC. I think it's actually a terrible place for kids because of how homogeneous it is, and how loudly morality is turned up in the mix. Adults think this is great, but it creates a lot of gaps where kids are unkind to their peers and poor at handling the pressures. Add to this the fact that there's nothing to do except hike, rock climb, and ski... that's 98% of everything. Oh, and Jazz games.
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I do understand this viewpoint. And oftentimes that morality is false or misplaced. I like my child understanding - as she grows - that there are different lifestyles in the world, whether she (or her parents) agrees with them or not. What I do object to is being taught, or forced to accept/say that she CAN'T disagree with them on the basis of her own, personal beliefs. And that is exactly where the education system is heading in California. As for activities in Utah, yes, we give up the beach, but I think we'd welcome the change of seasons and hiking in the canyons.
 
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Given the basic sketch of your life and interests, I'm not too surprised to hear you say you're ready to leave LA. As someone who has spent a good bit of time in Portland and Seattle (and I currently live in LA) let me say this: while you are likely to increase your square-footage and decrease your average commute time, the differences between LA and the PacNW are over-exaggerated. I'm 100% confident that a move within LA itself can accomplish the same objectives.

Dunno... I like the other cities you're considering, but imo LA has more to offer if you can be flexible within it. I know that isn't easy. Just don't be surprised in 5-7 years when the cost of living and commute times in your new city are equal to what you have right now.
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You could be right. We've talked about moving from Santa Clarita to say Glendale/Pasadena if I got a job there. But other considerations are as important. Housing is still out of line in terms of the affordability index. Companies are still fleeing CA. Uprooting now may enable us to get established in a new area and lock in a house at a good rate before the COL or commute time becomes like it is right now in LA. My wife and I will both take salary hits, but I think we more than make up for it in housing, taxes, etc.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];649091 said:
This won't be popular: don't move to SLC. I think it's actually a terrible place for kids because of how homogeneous it is, and how loudly morality is turned up in the mix. Adults think this is great, but it creates a lot of gaps where kids are unkind to their peers and poor at handling the pressures. Add to this the fact that there's nothing to do except hike, rock climb, and ski... that's 98% of everything. Oh, and Jazz games.
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I absolutely disagree with this. Much of the state is like this but I live downtown. I have a picture of my daughters kindergarten class on my wall 12 out of the 21 children belong to a racial minority. My family is not LDS and my daughter has had no problems at all with her classmates she has friends of every race and with all sorts of families.

Reasons for Salt Lake
1. Real estate
The PNW is nice for sure but if your looking to buy a nice home in a nice neighborhood with a good school it's going to be more affordable in SLC.
2. Schools
Utah doesn't spend the most money but that doesn't mean the schools aren't quality.
https://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=26534032
3. Safety
There is not a single street that I would be nervous walking down with my 8 year old @ midnight.(not that we do but you get the point)
4. World class beer
Stereotypes are often wrong
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile/52671152-90/brewing-beer-brewers-utah.html.csp
5. The obvious
Salt lake has the Jazz and is surrounded by more public land than anywhere else in the country. If you do move to salt lake buy a quad/horse and maybe a jet ski you can have a vacation every weekend.
 
heyhey said:
3. Safety
There is not a single street that I would be nervous walking down with my 8 year old @ midnight.(not that we do but you get the point)
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Holy crap, I couldn't disagree more with that one. There are plenty of streets I don't want to venture down at midnight. Haven't spent much time in Glendale? I grew up with a lot of the families that live in that area and I still wouldn't want to go there at night.
heyhey said:
5. The obvious
Salt lake has the Jazz and is surrounded by more public land than anywhere else in the country. If you do move to salt lake buy a quad/horse and maybe a jet ski you can have a vacation every weekend.
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This is one of the biggest reasons I stick around.
 
bigb said:
Holy crap, I couldn't disagree more with that one. There are plenty of streets I don't want to venture down at midnight. Haven't spent much time in Glendale? I grew up with a lot of the families that live in that area and I still wouldn't want to go there at night.

This is one of the biggest reasons I stick around.
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I'm not going to say glendale is nice, but I am not afraid to be in glendale @ midnight. I think other cities do have areas I would be concerned to meander through. How many carjackings,muggings, etc really occur in glendale. Seems like when people do get jumped in slc it's because their junky *** was asking for it.
 
LA might not be ideal but why leave S California altogether?

I'm pretty sure there are some nicer safer areas without that LA congestion nearby. Oceanside, San Diego, and mission Viejo all seem like awesome places. San Diego in particular never seemed to be as congested as LA.

Then again, I'm used to traffic. I drove on I-15 here in Utah when they were doing construction on it for the Olympics. Anyone else remember the "chutes" we had for highways back then? Nothing like a 5 lane highway being turned into 2 and having the sides blocked with huge construction barriers and wooden walls. I still remember almost being crushed into the wall by semis in the lane next to me.
 
I liked San Diego a lot. Problem for me was housing prices and just the general mess of CA government.
 
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