https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/2202789-155/letter-cant-have-it-both-ways
Thanks JazzFanz - tried to capture your perspectives when I wrote this.
Thanks JazzFanz - tried to capture your perspectives when I wrote this.
Letter published in SL Tribune. Suck it Monson!
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Stifle Tower
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I hope "Ned Stanley' is a pseudonym. Otherwise he's likely to come home one day and find One Love sleeping in his bed.
Farmer.Tan
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Nah. My bed is saved for Jamezz and his coke-caked nostrils.
candrew
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I think if Jefferson and Millsap were traded for peanuts on the dollar then Monson would have complained about it as well. Your assertion is that anything greater than zero is a success - some people don't view that as a success. I know my employers don't. I doubt most do.
It has since come to light that in October The Jazz offered an extension to Kanter which amounted to a few dollars above the qualifying offer for 4 years (I think it was 8 mil per). I think the FO knew that this was a non-starter and Kanter and his agent would turn them down flat. This being the case then why didn't The Jazz FO start trade negotiations immediately thereafter? Why did they wait until the last minute thereby putting themselves in a position for a 22 year old kid to pull a punk move on them and publically state his wishes to be traded? And additionally put themselves into a position of having to settle for what is obviously a **** deal?
Just a bad job all around.
It has since come to light that in October The Jazz offered an extension to Kanter which amounted to a few dollars above the qualifying offer for 4 years (I think it was 8 mil per). I think the FO knew that this was a non-starter and Kanter and his agent would turn them down flat. This being the case then why didn't The Jazz FO start trade negotiations immediately thereafter? Why did they wait until the last minute thereby putting themselves in a position for a 22 year old kid to pull a punk move on them and publically state his wishes to be traded? And additionally put themselves into a position of having to settle for what is obviously a **** deal?
Just a bad job all around.
My assertion is that you take the best that you can get. It's been widely reported that Lindsey did try to deal Millsap/Jefferson but the only offers available were ones that brought back significant non-expiring contracts that would have made the ability to resign Hayward AND Burks far more difficult.
Can you provide a link that demonstrates how the front office waited until Kanter's comments to begin trade negotiations? Just because it didn't happen until the trade deadline doesn't mean that there weren't constant negotiations and explorations before that. 37 players were dealt in the last four hours of the deadline. Ask yourself why that's the case.
You do understand that Kanter had 0 trade value going into this season right? He was benched last year ( unfairly and a bad decision from Corbin) and was coming off surgery this last of season . The Jazz had to take the time this year to both figure out if he could fit into a new system with a new coach and try to build some kind of trade value for him if he didn't fit. I would be willing to bet they got more for him during in the deal they made then they ever would have gotten offered up to a month ago.
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enchilada_style
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I'm willing to bet Kanters trade value in October wasn't very high. DL may have thought his value would increase as they got closer to the deadline.
candrew
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I was hoping that was the case when I posted this before the season even started:
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?33445-In-depth-article-on-Burks-and-Kanter-extensions
Looking back I should have changed the word "think" to "hope". Because knowing now that the actual extension offer was so low and, I'm sure, viewed as an insult by Kanter and his agent, the fact that he and their poisoned relationship was kept around until the deadline is just ****ing ponderous to me.
You mean his Diet Caffeine-Free Coke.
latin jazz
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Perhaps they wanted to see what they had in their hands and in the meantime, increase Kanter's trade value in QS system and sell high. I'm sure the FO had some conversations with teams since the start by the season. They didn't expect Kanter to go public with his trade demand which only decreased his trade value. It could be argued they could have pulled the trigger earlier...difficult to say since most teams get in serious discussions around the All-Star weekend. Kanter's timing screwed us. We got 60cents on the dollar. Time to move on and enjoy watching Gobert.
What would you have offered Kanter, whose advanced analytics numbers were even lower last year than they are this year (and this year they're still ****ing terrible)?
They didn't get a deal done with Hayward either and that relationship is anything but poisoned.
Kanter has potential but he isn't very good currently. Lindsey made the right call: A) see if he gets much, much better this year (as a result of a coaching change and another year of experience) - while your other bigs stay pretty similar - and then match his offer in free agency. B) see if he stays the same while your other bigs get better (which is what happened), and then deal him at the deadline for assets.
To be a competitive team, we can't afford three bigs on 8-figure deals. If they're all demanding that kind of money, you keep the best two. That's what happened.
The burden of proof is on the person making the most absurd argument.
Do you have any understanding at all of how the NBA works or what front office works entails?
Here's an article (albeit an old one) showing a day in the life of an NBA GM. Spoiler alert: they're hearing and discussing offers on potential trades ALL THE TIME.
https://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11203