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[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah Paul George is a pipe dream. Honestly I don't think we even need to aim that high to fix our issues. One decent point guard and getting favors back would make a world of difference. Could certainly add wing help too to take Cjs minutes.

 

[fishonjazz]

Pacers are 23-19 though, so no reason to think they would trade their franchise player for an injury prone 6th man and a PF with back issues. You would have to think a George/Hayward/Gobert team would start winning a ton of games so our 1st round picks wouldnt be that valuable.

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[Hotdog]

oh man guis. we could have totally gotten Paul George if we just listened to NAOS

 

[NAOS]

for me, I'm just concerned that we're going to treadmill as presently constructed. I'd live with Hayward or Favors getting traded if it brought back a player on the next tier.

And I'm bored right now.

fun thread, NAOS. We know you've supported Paul George from the get-go, and we hope your boredom was quickly salved.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Granted Utah only played Charlotte and Minny, but you can certainly see the value Favors has. IMO, we vastly underrate him. He's at least a top-10 PF and probably the best backup C in the league. Could be very close to 20-10 and is a beast defensively. Tbh, I think he's the Jazz' best 2-way player.

 

[fishonjazz]

Granted Utah only played Charlotte and Minny, but you can certainly see the value Favors has. IMO, we vastly underrate him. He's at least a top-10 PF and probably the best backup C in the league. Could be very close to 20-10 and is a beast defensively. Tbh, I think he's the Jazz' best 2-way player.

Ya if favors doesn't get hurt we definitely win the recent Sacramento buzzer beater game, the New York OT game, the Charlotte double OT game, and the Detroit close finish... And that's just in the last 10 days or so.
Add in a handful of other games we would have won and I figure we would have a winning record right now. Maybe 24-22 or something.

 

[gregbroncs]

You want it, you just don't know it yet.

Nope. I would not trade Joe Ingles for Boogie unless I had a guarantee from another team that they would give us something for Boogie once he was acquired by the Jazz. My fanhood would go on hiatus the minute he joined the team until he left.

 

[gregbroncs]

Granted Utah only played Charlotte and Minny, but you can certainly see the value Favors has. IMO, we vastly underrate him. He's at least a top-10 PF and probably the best backup C in the league. Could be very close to 20-10 and is a beast defensively. Tbh, I think he's the Jazz' best 2-way player.

Favors is the best player on this roster. IMO it's not even that close.

 

[Stoked]

Favors is the best player on this roster. IMO it's not even that close.

Hayward makes it close IMO.

 

[Siro]

Hayward makes it close IMO.

Hayward is better actually.

 

[Hotdog]

I think these things constantly change. It could look like Hayward one year, then Favors the next, then back again.

The playoffs will play a big factor in how we look at them too. When we finally get to watch it, we can see who rises to the occasion, and who disappears.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out in ten years.

 

[Siro]

Gobert is just a reliable offensive move from being the best player on the team.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

You can tell who's the most important player on this team. He goes out and our offense and defense suffers. It isn't Hayward cause we have Hood. Hayward was in a huge slump at the start of the season and we were still able to win games. But he is a huge piece to that success. But not the most important piece IMO

 

[gregbroncs]

Hayward makes it close IMO.

I don't think Hayward is all that close. I think he's too inconsistent and Favors is far more consistent. I also think Favors plays better on both ends of the floor. The difference being Hayward has the ball far more so puts up better looking stats. If I was trading one of them it would be Hayward by a mile.

 

[gregbroncs]

Gobert is just a reliable offensive move from being the best player on the team.

Gobert is so over rated by Jazz fans it's pathetic. He's a great defender, but is a liability on offense. His FT's and lack of any offense more than 2' from the rim is a problem. He'd need more than one reliable offensive move to become the best player on the team.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Gobert is so over rated by Jazz fans it's pathetic. He's a great defender, but is a liability on offense. His FT's and lack of any offense more than 2' from the rim is a problem. He'd need more than one reliable offensive move to become the best player on the team.

While I think Gobert is a special player, it's really the Gobert/Favs combo that makes Utah dominant defensively. Without Favs, teams can neutralize a lot of what Gobert does. We saw that when Favs was out. Sure, Rudy was just coming back from injury, but blocks and rebounds were down and Utah was giving up way too many points. You can suck Rudy out or move him to one side or the other. When Derrick is also in the game, teams are going against two amazing defenders, though.

If defense is going to be Utah's identity, they have to keep both.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

While I think Gobert is a special player, it's really the Gobert/Favs combo that makes Utah dominant defensively. Without Favs, teams can neutralize a lot of what Gobert does. We saw that when Favs was out. Sure, Rudy was just coming back from injury, but blocks and rebounds were down and Utah was giving up way too many points. You can suck Rudy out or move him to one side or the other. When Derrick is also in the game, teams are going against two amazing defenders, though.

If defense is going to be Utah's identity, they have to keep both.

Replace Favors with a average starting PF and it might be a different story. When Favors was out we were playing a rookie and Booker, who is at (at best) an average backup PF.