Looking for genuine discourse re:Jay-Z/NBA

[Stoked]

I don't like rap music particularly, but I certainly know it's music, that it takes a lot of musical knowledge and talent, and I would never use the scare quotes. You're being deliberately obtuse.

And you are trying to discern something that you cannot because you do not have the adequate info on Rob's musical tastes, history, lifestyle and other needed info. I agree that Rob is wrong and that rap is music. I love some Luda and Eminem. But just becasue he doesn't does not automatically make him a racist. You simply want him to be.

You and Kicky jumped on a very minor tangent and tried to make it this huge deal and it simply isn't. It's not becasue there is not enough info there for it to be anything more than a very minor tangent.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Right there you lose me. How would you know? It is an assumption based on him being white. But you know nothing about what he has experienced, where he has lived, his families wealth, or lack there of, or any other relevant factors needed to even begin to discuss wether to make that claim.

I'd tend towards we have all experienced racism in some form or another to one degree or another.

I agree we all experience racism, but for whites it's such a minute/small/insignificant thing that if you complain about it, i just a lot of respect for you as a person. Hopefully we get to a point where we can say that for all races, but right now we can't. The only negative of being white (and it's not really a negative) is that you can't/shouldn't complain about being white. Makes you sound like a total dumbass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M

Pretty good/funny video with a lot of truths.

 

[One Brow]

Right there you lose me. How would you know? It is an assumption based on him being white. But you know nothing about what he has experienced, where he has lived, his families wealth, or lack there of, or any other relevant factors needed to even begin to discuss wether to make that claim.

I'd tend towards we have all experienced racism in some form or another to one degree or another.

If you have ever been in a situation where the police will assume that the person calling you names is the one who is the victim, and you are the aggressor, you will understand why name-calling is different going in different directions. If you have been in a position where you get called these names by strangers on a daily basis, you will understand why name-calling is different going in different directions. That you and RobDMB seem to have no clue about this is sufficient premise to conclude you have never been victimized by racism.

 

[Stoked]

Well, a white has decided the subject matter of this thread; I guess we all need to fall in line, right?

You know, if you stop trying to defend yourself, and just listen, you'll learn a lot more about society and the place you've been given by it. Of course, I'm assuming you actually want to better yourself in this particular area.

If you stopped attacking maybe he could. Reminds me of an earlier topic we discussed...

 

[Stoked]

If you have ever been in a situation where the police will assume that the person calling you names is the one who is the victim, and you are the aggressor, you will understand why name-calling is different going in different directions. If you have been in a position where you get called these names by strangers on a daily basis, you will understand why name-calling is different going in different directions. That you and RobDMB seem to have no clue about this is sufficient premise to conclude you have never been victimized by racism.

WRONG!

Never claimed that all acts of racism and that all victims of racism equate. It's even hinted at in the last line of the very post you quote.

Nice attemp though. I'd refer you to a previous Bordy post about you winning the oppression Olympics. It's even hinted at in the last line of the very post you quote.

 

[Stoked]

I agree we all experience racism, but for whites it's such a minute/small/insignificant thing that if you complain about it, i just a lot of respect for you as a person. Hopefully we get to a point where we can say that for all races, but right now we can't. The only negative of being white (and it's not really a negative) is that you can't/shouldn't complain about being white. Makes you sound like a total dumbass.

Pretty good/funny video with a lot of truths.

First of all you, personally, can keep your respect as none of it is returned. Second of all at no point was the assertion made that whites suffer the same level of racism, especially in America, that blacks do. Not by me anyways.

But as already stated, by several posters now. One Brow simply wants to act like that since one is worse than the other that the lesser one doesn't matter. Foolish. All racism matters. The degree it matters should of course reflect the severity and depth of the racism in question.

 

[One Brow]

Standard One Brow. If studies show that the aggregate or averages show that racism is more noticeable or pronounced in one direction, it excuses any racism in the opposite direction.

The lack of social power means there is no racism in the opposite direction.

Your response to any example, hypothetical or otherwise, is to proclaim that "blacks have it worse".

No, it's "whites have it, period".

I suppose men who are raped have no room to complain, since it happens more often to women. Wait, let me guess, men can't be raped.

Yes, men can be raped. Rape is an type of violence against the non-consenting. Men can also be murdered. However, generally, men can not be victims of sexism.

The use of men who are raped in internet arguments is a curious thing. Feminists want to de-stigmatize rape generally, so that both men and women can be freer to report their rapes; anti-feminists claim that feminists ignore men who are raped as a club to beat back the feminism under the banner of male rights. Fortunately, you're far to sophisticated a poster to use some stupid tactic like that.

You are continually inviting others to examine themselves; I see very little evidence that you have paused to consider the hatred which drives your arguments. "Grow up", indeed.

You have confused anger and hatred. I'm angry at how my family and friends have been treated over the years; I'm angry at the difference between their treatment and mine. I'm angry that people who have benefited from this are also allowed to be ignorant of the difference, and feel they are justified in denying these differences are relevant. However, there's no one to hate, here.

 

[One Brow]

If you stopped attacking maybe he could. Reminds me of an earlier topic we discussed...

Do you think sirkickyass was attacking him on pages 1 through 3 (notice I wasn't even here until page 4). Did that make his argument more persuasive to RobDMB? Not that I could tell, certainly.

You can keep tone-trolling, but it will make no difference. I'm not going to hide my anger.

 

[One Brow]

WRONG!

Do go on. Show me I'm wrong. Tell me how you were victimized by racism. LogGrad98 and franklin had stories about brief encounters. What's yours?

 

[Stoked]

Do you think sirkickyass was attacking him on pages 1 through 3 (notice I wasn't even here until page 4). Did that make his argument more persuasive to RobDMB? Not that I could tell, certainly.

You can keep tone-trolling, but it will make no difference. I'm not going to hide my anger.

And as such you will continue to make little to no progress. It's constructive criticism.

 

[One Brow]

I'm sure he likes jazz

Fair enough. Some music by another culture.

 

[One Brow]

It is a point that Kicky does not have enough information to adequately defend in my opinion. It singles out 1 single kind of music from another culture. Perhaps Rob would feel that Bushi, Ranchero and Apala is music...

Stoked, what was the last musical genre you felt was so unmusical you needed to call it "music" instead of music?