Lose Jefferson

[Jazz Spazz]

I say we get rid of any player that has scored more than 20 in a game this year.
It just shows they are ballhogs, and black holes... and cannot pass.
Lets get some real players on the floor that can defend, and pass..... and not score.
5 Mark Eatons would be my Dream Team.

 

[enchilada_style]

the thing with jefferson is, he scores more to weak teams,but i never saw him putting a solid performance against tough teams, but millsap does, as much as reliability he has with his size, he deserves 7 million a year, but jefferson doesnt 15 per yr. I would be happy to see him leave if we can get a good deal in a trade or smthng. But i really dont think Fesenko can be a backup or whatever. He should go play basketball in ukranian amateur league. And miles, if he keeps his current performance, i would rather see him stay, because he can create his own shot or score with the dribble, we need some individual scorers as well, right now we dont have any.
I think, we should pick enes kanter in this draft along with brandon knight, with couple of trades to go up if they dont fall down to us. So that we wont need jeffersons scoring, and enes can start with favors while millsap get major mins off the bench. This would be a cool front line. And we can keep kirilenko with a 7-8 p/yr deal if we send jefferson. With a line up, Knight, Hayward, Kirilenko, Enes, Favors and watson, miles, evans, millsap off the bench, we can enter playoffs next yr right away, and be a contender in 2-3 yrs i believe

J.C., what the hell did you just ramble off?

 

[Harcher]

28 points against Boston? 26 points and 33 points versus Chicago? What about 32 points on OKC and 30 points on Dallas?

Get the facts straight before posting.

Additionally, if you look at his last year in minny, he scored well against the tough teams as well. His performance with the Jazz is same as before.

Big Al is a keeper.

 

[franklin]

Moderators, please merge this thread with the "Jump to conclusions mat" thread.

Some of you are definitely contending for a spot on the mat.

 

[zman1527]

One thing that really bothers me is about Big Al is that when he has been putting up huge numbers recently, the Jazz have been losing, and often badly. I cannot remember this ever being the case. The Jazz almost always won if DWill scored 30. Seems like they lose more often than not when Al has a big game, suggesting he makes others around him worse rather than better.

 

[mtnbayou]

One thing that really bothers me is about Big Al is that when he has been putting up huge numbers recently, the Jazz have been losing, and often badly. I cannot remember this ever being the case. The Jazz almost always won if DWill scored 30. Seems like they lose more often than not when Al has a big game, suggesting he makes others around him worse rather than better.

He`s kindof Carmelo-like in this regard, putting up big numbers, but that`s it.

 

[The Midnight]

He`s kindof Carmelo-like in this regard, putting up big numbers, but that`s it.

hmmm... now that I think about it a bit more..

I do remember that the reason KOC traded for Al in the first place was because Deron has asked for Al in the offseason..

Now that Deron is gone, may be we can rebuild around another player who would fit the system better?

If we could get a savy big who would pick up the system relatively easily (Gasol, Kaman?) I would do it...

 

[m3at]

the thing with jefferson is, he scores more to weak teams,but i never saw him putting a solid performance against tough teams, but millsap does, as much as reliability he has with his size, he deserves 7 million a year, but jefferson doesnt 15 per yr. I would be happy to see him leave if we can get a good deal in a trade or smthng. But i really dont think Fesenko can be a backup or whatever. He should go play basketball in ukranian amateur league. And miles, if he keeps his current performance, i would rather see him stay, because he can create his own shot or score with the dribble, we need some individual scorers as well, right now we dont have any.
I think, we should pick enes kanter in this draft along with brandon knight, with couple of trades to go up if they dont fall down to us. So that we wont need jeffersons scoring, and enes can start with favors while millsap get major mins off the bench. This would be a cool front line. And we can keep kirilenko with a 7-8 p/yr deal if we send jefferson. With a line up, Knight, Hayward, Kirilenko, Enes, Favors and watson, miles, evans, millsap off the bench, we can enter playoffs next yr right away, and be a contender in 2-3 yrs i believe

W.T.F.

Can I please have my 10 minutes back?

 

[NUMBERICA]

So now we're blaming Jefferson? At least Al wants to win. How could anyone complain about his defense after having Boozer here? Besides as young as he is, if he puts in work during the offseason he will develop the game that he is lacking. On thing that players cant be taught is DRIVE. You either have it or you dont. And Al Jefferson wants to win. Lets surround him with some winners and see what happens.

But Jefferson is not a winner. He's won the most when playing the least and it's sheerly a coincidence that the Jazz (offense, particularly) fell apart when he came here? All for the bargain of 30-something million dollars?

Also, he's been playing for 8 years already. If you can name me more than 5 players in NBA history to figure the game out after that point, I'll be amazed.

It bears repeating; Al Jefferson is not a winner. That's what evidence tells us. If the '03-'04 Jazz can win 42, Jefferson can have a winning season with a less-than-amazing supporting cast. He's a nice guy that doesn't see or play the game completely and can't play it fluidly when he tries to do the right things.

 

[LogGrad98]

It is kind of funny to say a guy stuck on crappy teams (Wolves, Celts before the trade) is not a winner. Then for more evidence you use the fact that he came here right when the team blew up. Yeah that proves nothing. If you put a crappy supporting cast around a great player you don't get wins, you get one good player among crappy ones. AJ coming here had nothing to do with the team falling apart. That started when the Jazz blew up an otherwise competetive team last summer. AJ came in to plug one of the 5 or 6 holes KOC and the others left in the team, but didn't fill. So now we have a solid center and all-star pg and lost other pieces that made us a competetive team. If we had exactly the same team as last year, but with AJ in place of Bozzer we would be far more competetive. AJ is far better defensively and just as effective offensively. We would have tore it up. But we didn't, so the all-star guard gets grumpy and pouty and bails out, we get a core of rookies, a new coach, and our other vets are injured, so we lose. So that is all AJ's fault somehow? Really?

So you are using the 03-04 team as an example? Really? How is that even remotely like this season. Disrupting a team this drastically in the middle of a season is far worse than simply trying to win games with a team that is together the entire season and maybe just missing a couple pieces. Show me one other team that lost 4 major pieces and their coach in less than a year and was not able to replace them, including losing an all-star for a few scrubs in the middle of the season that did better than we have.

But I see what you mean. All that means nothing. We have AJ so obviously it is all his fault. Because the evidence shows he is not a winner.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

But Jefferson is not a winner. He's won the most when playing the least and it's sheerly a coincidence that the Jazz (offense, particularly) fell apart when he came here? All for the bargain of 30-something million dollars?

Also, he's been playing for 8 years already. If you can name me more than 5 players in NBA history to figure the game out after that point, I'll be amazed.

It bears repeating; Al Jefferson is not a winner. That's what evidence tells us. If the '03-'04 Jazz can win 42, Jefferson can have a winning season with a less-than-amazing supporting cast. He's a nice guy that doesn't see or play the game completely and can't play it fluidly when he tries to do the right things.

Was Shareef Abdur-Rahim a winner? Mitch Richmond?

 

[Deleted member 848]

It is kind of funny to say a guy stuck on crappy teams (Wolves, Celts before the trade) is not a winner. Then for more evidence you use the fact that he came here right when the team blew up. Yeah that proves nothing. If you put a crappy supporting cast around a great player you don't get wins, you get one good player among crappy ones. AJ coming here had nothing to do with the team falling apart. That started when the Jazz blew up an otherwise competetive team last summer. AJ came in to plug one of the 5 or 6 holes KOC and the others left in the team, but didn't fill. So now we have a solid center and all-star pg and lost other pieces that made us a competetive team. If we had exactly the same team as last year, but with AJ in place of Bozzer we would be far more competetive. AJ is far better defensively and just as effective offensively. We would have tore it up. But we didn't, so the all-star guard gets grumpy and pouty and bails out, we get a core of rookies, a new coach, and our other vets are injured, so we lose. So that is all AJ's fault somehow? Really?

So you are using the 03-04 team as an example? Really? How is that even remotely like this season. Disrupting a team this drastically in the middle of a season is far worse than simply trying to win games with a team that is together the entire season and maybe just missing a couple pieces. Show me one other team that lost 4 major pieces and their coach in less than a year and was not able to replace them, including losing an all-star for a few scrubs in the middle of the season that did better than we have.

But I see what you mean. All that means nothing. We have AJ so obviously it is all his fault. Because the evidence shows he is not a winner.

Beauty of a post, would rep if I could.