Make Utah Contend Now
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Coach Ellis
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To be fair, I think he said 2 years/$40 million for Batum ($20 million PER year.) which is about what I think he gets - just for a full 4 year deal (4th year player option just like Hayward's contract.) Whoever signs him will do so expecting further improvements and will require a contract that will end up with Bird rights when it expires or he opts out.
You can make that deal if you're looking for a young, starting wing on the open market and you aren't in the conversation for Durant/DeRozen. I think the Jazz are too high on Rodney Hood to spend that kind of cash on anyone who isn't a clear All-Star caliber player, but I was making this exact same argument for Junkyard Dog last year (until I saw what Toronto was willing to pay him.)
If you want Batum, fine. Get Gobert to start recruiting him, see what the market bears and then go pay him. Nicolas Batum is a (slightly) younger, better offensive, poorer defensive version of DMC last year. He got $15 million per year on the open market. I actually think that he'd be a great fit for the Jazz if he can stay healthy.
But still a big, fat "hell no" to getting Kevin Love. I'd rafter gamble on Gobert, Favors, Lyles, Hayward, Hood, Burks and Exum staying healthy and doing enough to make it into the playoffs. Maybe add Pau Gasol and Jeff Teague, but keep Burks - the 2017 free agent market for SGs is awful and that contract will be a GOLDEN asset after this offseason. Then you look to add a star player in 2017 - Curry, Paul, Westbrook, Griffin, Durant and Lowry will all potentially hit the market - when less teams have max cap space (because they've burned it up this year) and you've proven that the Jazz ate a playoff caliber team that is trending up. Plus, you'd have Bird rights to extend Hayward, Gobert and Teague.
If you think Batum is the best you can do over the next two offseaaons, then get him and roll with it. Otherwise, keep developing your players, and looking for a shot at a star. Who knows what happens at the 2017 trade deadline with the number of star players possibly hitting the open market in 2017.
green
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I find it funny how badly you guys hate love but like Favors. Favors has taken us nowhere.
Sure Live didn't take Minnesota anywhere either, but who fits better with this team? Favors is better defensively, but we have Gobert. Gobert and Favors offensively are a mess. Love would open up the floor offensively. His three point shooting would make Hayward, Exum, Gobert and Hood much, much better. It would open up the floor. Our pick and rolls with Exum and Gobert would be deadly.
Also, by the end of his deal, with the cap rising, he'd be cheap.
If Batum needs two years, 30 per, do it. We'd have the space and who else are going to give it to? The Millers?
Slow down on the Love hate and think about it.
What he does compliments the team so much better than what Favors does. Oh, and Love isn't injured a third of the year every year.
Sure Live didn't take Minnesota anywhere either, but who fits better with this team? Favors is better defensively, but we have Gobert. Gobert and Favors offensively are a mess. Love would open up the floor offensively. His three point shooting would make Hayward, Exum, Gobert and Hood much, much better. It would open up the floor. Our pick and rolls with Exum and Gobert would be deadly.
Also, by the end of his deal, with the cap rising, he'd be cheap.
If Batum needs two years, 30 per, do it. We'd have the space and who else are going to give it to? The Millers?
Slow down on the Love hate and think about it.
What he does compliments the team so much better than what Favors does. Oh, and Love isn't injured a third of the year every year.
Lyles will do the same thing and we can keep Favors.
green
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Here's the biggest reason to do this:
The Jazz would actually be interesting. They could compete for the #3 spot in the west with LA. Maybe #2 depending on what SA does.
I mean, who would want that? Oh, and they don't lose any of their important players. We'd still have Exum, Hood, Hayward, Gobert and Lyles. Lyles learns to be a stretch four. Hood's ceiling is probably Batum. Exum gets to play behind a very good PG.
And the Jazz would be interesting to watch. I mean, who wants that? Nah, let's bake the cake and compete for an 8th seed with Favors. No thanks.
The Jazz would actually be interesting. They could compete for the #3 spot in the west with LA. Maybe #2 depending on what SA does.
I mean, who would want that? Oh, and they don't lose any of their important players. We'd still have Exum, Hood, Hayward, Gobert and Lyles. Lyles learns to be a stretch four. Hood's ceiling is probably Batum. Exum gets to play behind a very good PG.
And the Jazz would be interesting to watch. I mean, who wants that? Nah, let's bake the cake and compete for an 8th seed with Favors. No thanks.
Spaniard
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I don't understand the Batum love... KOC is that you? Can Batum shoot and I've just missed it? I know he was banged up in the playoffs but he's been in a 3 yr shooting slump. 15mil/per? No thanks. If he's the best option in FA then I say we give a shot to one of our 3 second round picks.
NAOS
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truth comes out. green is bored.
While I don't disagree with the spirit of this post, I'd say that the value of a 12th pick on a rookie contract exceeds the value of an average starting PG for one year. I think we can do better.
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Coach Ellis
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I understand the spirit of the post and disagree with it, but agree with this point. There's NO way that I trade #12 this year for a rental. Jazz will get a decent bench piece at that spot this year for a song of a contract after free agency opens up the floodgates and likely have other assets they can use in a deal for a veteran player.
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I'm honestly stunned with how many points Fav scores a game given the point guards he has had to work with-- ever since coming to Utah. Has there been a single NBA team spanning from 2012-2016 with a worse rotation of point guards than the Utah Jazz?
green
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Good point. But I want Love for his ability to stretch the floor. We have a lot of average shooters and above average pick and roll players. Having Gobert and Favors bogs them down and reduces the effectiveness of the pick and roll and gets you fewer open shots. Love fixes that.
Batum, Hood, Hayward are all very good pick and roll players. If Exum is going to excel, it will be attacking off the pick and roll. If you get rid of Favors/Gobert and insert Love, the pick and roll gets better and our offense gets a lot better.
To win in the NBA, you have to be able to guard the ball handler (Exum), guard the rim (Gobert) and shoot the three. We can do two of those. Love makes everyone better. He opens the floor up. He gets more open shots for other shooters. He is a better rebounder. While Favors is a better defender, Love is a better player overall and fits better than Favors does.