Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

[SaltyDawg]

So you disagree that they experienced what they said they experienced. You don't believe the eye-witnesses. Hardly refutes the point. Disbelieving the evidence does nothing to prove the evidence wrong. All that does it set up an endless loop of "I did so have hallucinations" "did not" "did so" "did not". Care to point to anyone else that refutes ABSOLUTELY that hallucinate can occur while on weed? Or any studies or anything more credible than "salty said so"? Not even any of your fellow pot heads here have gone to that length. Multiple first-hand accounts > Salty's opinion.

First off, I disagree with anyone claiming they are having "epic hallucinations" from smoking weed. They may very well be having hallucinations, but it is likely due to either the weed being laced or flashbacks from other drugs that actually cause hallucinations (as several people in those threads said). Or they may just be flat out lying. That also happens. If people do drugs because they think it will make them cool, you better believe people also lie about it because they think it will make them cool.

Second, I posted links to some studies that said moderate to heavy doses of marijuana 1: did not cause any impairment in driving that could be detected by police officers and driving instructors, and 2: was similar to someone driving after drinking very little (still well under the legal limit). The study would not have come to this conclusion if people were experiencing Alice in Wonderland after smoking weed. This is actual "evidence" and not just some clown trying to be cool with stories of being higher than everyone else. And again, I am not disputing stories of closing your eyes and seeing a lightshow and things like that. I am saying those are not "epic hallucinations" and would not impair driving either.

Also, "fellow potheads" (your term, not mine) absolutely did too agree with me. see these quotes:

Your claim to "awesome hallucinations" does make you sound pretty bogus. Marijuana doesn't make you hallucinate.

I interpret "awesome hallucinations" as full on hallucinations. As in, you can literally see something in full. I guess people could interpret blurred vision, paranoia affects, and closed eyed pattern effects (close your eyes and seeing tie-dye type patterns) as "hallucinations", but I wouldn't.

With all that said, I don't consider my experience under the influence of cannabis to be particularly hallucinogenic. I also don't think I'd have much trouble walking a straight line.

 

[LogGrad98]

So one actually agreed with your stand, that it DOES NOT create hallucinations. The other just said his weren't full-on hallucinations. Of course there is still the issue of what is a hallucination since they both agreed you can get some visual effects, which in the strictest sense is still a hallucination. Yet there are page upon page of examples of first-hand reports of hallucinations online due to marijuana use.

Also, the link you posted was addressing ability to drive, not whether or not hallucinations were POSSIBLE. Of course it is not mentioned there. Give me a break. Here is one that says it can cause hallucinations:

https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/mari.html

In high doses, marijuana can cause:

hallucinations
delusions
impaired memory
disorientation.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So one actually agreed with your stand, that it DOES NOT create hallucinations. The other just said his weren't full-on hallucinations. Of course there is still the issue of what is a hallucination since they both agreed you can get some visual effects, which in the strictest sense is still a hallucination. Yet there are page upon page of examples of first-hand reports of hallucinations online due to marijuana use.

Also, the link you posted was addressing ability to drive, not whether or not hallucinations were POSSIBLE. Of course it is not mentioned there. Give me a break. Here is one that says it can cause hallucinations:

https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/mari.html

Is it possible to get a closed eye lightshow from marijuana? Yes, and I have never disputed this. Do some people define this as a hallucination? Probably. Would this impair driving? No. Would this be considered an "epic hallucination"? Of course not. Is it theoretically possible to get an "epic hallucination" from weed? I doubt it, but even if it's possible it's so rare that it's not worth making laws to save us all from it.

 

[Agoxlea]

I'm jealous of all these people that have had hallucinations. I have tried Salvia once and definitely hallucinated. I thought I could see the concept of irony. That was pretty enjoyable but the rest was miserable. The physiological effects were noticeable and pretty frightening. I definitely personally haven't had anything close to a hallucination from weed though. You guys are either really lucky or have a pretty loose interpretation of hallucinating.

 

[SaltyDawg]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Agoxlea again."

 

[TroutBum]

So the guy that Salty is quoting above, CyroneTorbin, claims that you can't hallucinate while high. Meh, that's fine. It's the fact that Salt regards anything Torbin says as absolute fact that rubs me raw. I wonder how Salty would feel about Torbins take on impairment:

I drive my car high all the time. Does it impair me? Too a very small degree, and that depends on what/how much I've smoked. The one major problem I have is when I'm super high sometimes my eyes get a tad dry. I always have contact solution on hand though, so I just pull over and moisten up. Do I think it should be illegal to drive high on weed? Probably. Weed effects everyone differently, so some people may have major problems driving while stoned.

 

[SaltyDawg]

So the guy that Salty is quoting above, CyroneTorbin, claims that you can't hallucinate while high. Meh, that's fine. It's the fact that Salt regards anything Torbin says as absolute fact that rubs me raw. I wonder how Salty would feel about Torbins take on impairment:

What, you mean him saying he drives high all the time with no problems?

I thought you said not one person agreed with me on the hallucinating and impairment points?

 

[TroutBum]

First off, I disagree with anyone claiming they are having "epic hallucinations" from smoking weed. They may very well be having hallucinations, but it is likely due to either the weed being laced or flashbacks from other drugs that actually cause hallucinations (as several people in those threads said). Or they may just be flat out lying. That also happens. If people do drugs because they think it will make them cool, you better believe people also lie about it because they think it will make them cool.

Second, I posted links to some studies that said moderate to heavy doses of marijuana 1: did not cause any impairment in driving that could be detected by police officers and driving instructors, and 2: was similar to someone driving after drinking very little (still well under the legal limit). The study would not have come to this conclusion if people were experiencing Alice in Wonderland after smoking weed. This is actual "evidence" and not just some clown trying to be cool with stories of being higher than everyone else. And again, I am not disputing stories of closing your eyes and seeing a lightshow and things like that. I am saying those are not "epic hallucinations" and would not impair driving either.

Also, "fellow potheads" (your term, not mine) absolutely did too agree with me. see these quotes:

Your claim to "awesome hallucinations" does make you sound pretty bogus. Marijuana doesn't make you hallucinate.

I interpret "awesome hallucinations" as full on hallucinations. As in, you can literally see something in full. I guess people could interpret blurred vision, paranoia affects, and closed eyed pattern effects (close your eyes and seeing tie-dye type patterns) as "hallucinations", but I wouldn't.

Also, just to make sure that facts are not being thrown out for made up bull crap, let me quote myself:

Not only have I personally had some ridiculously awesome hallucinations while high, but according to wiki (ya, ya): "At higher doses, effects can include altered body image, auditory and/or visual illusions, pseudo-hallucinatory or (rarely, at very high doses) fully hallucinatory experiences." and The American Council for Drug Education calls it, "A mild hallucinogen". Maybe it didn't or doesn't for you, but it most certainly does for a vast majority of users.

This is the second time in this thread that I have been quoted as saying something that I never said. We all know you're full of crap anyway, but why make it worse by making things up in order to bolster your argument?

 

[TroutBum]

What, you mean him saying he drives high all the time with no problems?

I thought you said not one person agreed with me on the hallucinating and impairment points?

This is either the greatest troll of all time (and I've fallen for it), or you really are that stupid.

On Impairment: (if this looks familiar, it's because it was quoted in the post that you just replied to)

Does it impair me? Too a very small degree, and that depends on what/how much I've smoked.

On Hallucinating: How about that, you did have someone that agreed with you. The rest of us are liars.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Also, just to make sure that facts are not being thrown out for made up bull crap, let me quote myself:



This is the second time in this thread that I have been quoted as saying something that I never said. We all know you're full of crap anyway, but why make it worse by making things up in order to bolster your argument?

Excuse me, I said "epic hallucinations" when what you really said was "ridiculously awesome hallucinations." Not sure what the big difference is there, but whatever.

 

[SaltyDawg]

This is either the greatest troll of all time (and I've fallen for it), or you really are that stupid.

On Impairment: (if this looks familiar, it's because it was quoted in the post that you just replied to)


On Hallucinating: How about that, you did have someone that agreed with you. The rest of us are liars.

You say this and then I'M really that stupid?

lol, the dude said he drives with no problems whatsoever. If you're talking about the "very small degree" of impairment, I have never disputed this. Remember, it was me who posted the study that found the impairment level was similar to someone who had been drinking but was still well below the legal limit (0.05% BAC to be exact). His "very small degree" of impairment is not enough to make illegal, and that has been my argument from the start.

You're really reaching here man. First you argue that weed doesn't make you tired, claiming it actually wires you up. Next you're arguing that people won't even be able to get up off the couch. Then you're playing semantics with "epic" and "ridiculously awesome" like it somehow means I'm wrong for using one instead of the other (as if they mean something totally different, lol). You also claimed that "not one person" agreed with me, when the reality was pretty much all the pot smokers agreed with me. And now you're pointing out that someone who drives with no problems has a "very small degree" of impairment, like that somehow goes against everything I have been saying here.

lol, trout, take a breather. You're totally not yourself the last few days in this thread.

 

[TroutBum]

Excuse me, I said "epic hallucinations" when what you really said was "ridiculously awesome hallucinations." Not sure what the big difference is there, but whatever.

On the surface? Nothing. They mean the same thing. It's the fact that you take my words, change them around, and put them in quotations as if it's exactly what I said. It's just one of the many bull crap tendencies that you have; anything to win an argument. And to repeat, this is the second time in this thread that you've done it.