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Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

One Brow said:
I'm confident that no matter how many times it is offered to you that there is a difference between "don't have the supplies/knowledge to do this now" and "it can't be done", you will continue to affirm the NHTSA affirmaiton of the former as evidence of the latter. It brings a smail to my face very time.
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We're talking about what we can do right now. We're not talking about what might theoretically be possible someday. Heck, someday we will probably teleport from one place to another and won't have to drive at all.

With the technology we have today, it is not possible to test for current marijuana impairment based on concentrations of THC in the blood. The NHTSA confirmed this, so there is no debate.

If you keep arguing about it, I'll zap you with my telepathic ray gun that shoots across the internet and through a computer monitor. No, it's not possible to do this right now, but maybe someday it might be.
 
SaltyDawg said:
With the technology we have today, it is not possible to test for current marijuana impairment based on concentrations of THC in the blood. The NHTSA confirmed this, so there is no debate.
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When you make a reasonable position based on the evidence, you don't get an argument.
 
One Brow said:
When you make a reasonable position based on the evidence, you don't get an argument.
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That was my position all along. I never said nor implied that for the remainder of man's time on planet earth nobody will ever be able to test for THC impairment at any point. I was talking about what we can do right now.
 
I know this has already been touched on but this quote has been running around in my mind whenever I see this thread.


"In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
Martin Luther King Jr
 
squareinthecircle said:
I know this has already been touched on but this quote has been running around in my mind whenever I see this thread.


"In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
Martin Luther King Jr
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So now we have to get 300 Million people to agree on what's just and what's unjust, but that's the easy part.
 
One Brow said:
I'm confident that no matter how many times it is offered to you that there is a difference between "don't have the supplies/knowledge to do this now" and "it can't be done", you will continue to affirm the NHTSA affirmaiton of the former as evidence of the latter. It brings a smail to my face very time.
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and this brings one of these to my face:

:-)
 
SaltyDawg said:
That was my position all along.
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It was part of your position.

SaltyDawg said:
I never said nor implied that for the remainder of man's time on planet earth nobody will ever be able to test for THC impairment at any point.
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I agree you did not make that claim. You claimed that THC levels in heavy smokers who were not high were on a par with, or higher than, THC levels in in light smokers who were high, and that this was the reason testing testing didn't work. That was the claim I questoned.
 
One Brow said:
It was part of your position.



I agree you did not make that claim. You claimed that THC levels in heavy smokers who were not high were on a par with, or higher than, THC levels in in light smokers who were high, and that this was the reason testing testing didn't work. That was the claim I questoned.
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In the end, my point was correct- you can't test for THC impairment. You disagreed with that, and you were wrong.

Now you're going to argue about this? lol
 
SaltyDawg said:
In the end, my point was correct- you can't test for THC impairment. You disagreed with that, and you were wrong.
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Except we don't know that we can't test for impairment. Based on our current knowledge, it is very likely we will be able to test for imparirment (at least, to the same degree we can test for alcohol impairment). We just don't know how to right now. So, you point was unjustified, which was my point.

However, if you want to believe that you were right when, based on a wrong understanding, you made a blanket claim about a permanent state of affairs, that turned out only to be correct temporarily, then you would indeed be SaltyDawg.

Edit to add: feel free to take the last word. I'm done with this discussion.
 
One Brow said:
Except we don't know that we can't test for impairment. Based on our current knowledge, it is very likely we will be able to test for imparirment (at least, to the same degree we can test for alcohol impairment). We just don't know how to right now. So, you point was unjustified, which was my point.

However, if you want to believe that you were right when, based on a wrong understanding, you made a blanket claim about a permanent state of affairs, that turned out only to be correct temporarily, then you would indeed be SaltyDawg.

Edit to add: feel free to take the last word. I'm done with this discussion.
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Again, we can't test for it. The NHTSA says they can't test for it, end of debate. I am not saying they will never in a million years have a way to test for it. I am saying that right now it is not possible. And yes, I am correct in that, and you were wrong when you disagreed.

So this is how you admit you were wrong, lol. Whatever. It doesn't matter, as the point is now made. We can't test for current marijuana impairment. So while some people may think it's a good idea to legalize marijuana and a bad idea to drive after smoking marijuana, you either have to legalize both, make them both illegal, or make people forfeit their driver's license if they indulge in marijuana.

My point was that I don't think driving under the influence is a big enough deal to make it illegal. Mostly because there is no way to test for it, but also because I don't think the average pot smoker adds much of a danger on the roads. Add to that the fact that driving like an idiot or being dangerous on the roads is already illegal.
 
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