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Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)

Btw, take a look at this: https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/49907340-87/jazz-matthews-offer-williams.html.csp
The Jazz were bracing for a five-year, $25 million offer earlier Saturday as Young reported being close to a deal with Portland.

Does this sound like KOC has been actively negotiating with Wes or perhaps like someone who told him to go find another offer, like Siler reported? And if we thought 25 mil offer sheet was coming, why not talk to Wes and try to agree to similar deal, but without toxic first year. Looks like KOC was completely out of the loop on this whole thing, doesn't it?
 
So if I'm reading this right the offer stands as 5 year 32.7 mil with the first year payment at 9.2 mil and the last year set at 7.5 mil?

1st = 9.2
2nd = 5.3
3rd = 5.3
4th = 5.3
5th = 7.5

1st year cap = 5.7
2nd year cap =6.0
3rd year cap =6.5
4th year cap = 7.0
5th year cap = 7.5

I like Matthews but I'm starting to question the total amount of the contract. The Jazz FO will be damned if they do, damned if they don't. I really hate saying this but I think we have to let him go. ugh
 
Did you consider CJ our 'starting' 3 when AK was backing him up a year ago? Wes started because he was the best option to start with the players we had. If the Jazz were trying to start the best 5 guys on their roster, AK would have been in there, and the only argument would have been Miles/Matthews for the 2. In my book, that's not a 'starter.' In fact, the ideal situation would have been to find somebody better than Matthews and have Matthews back that guy up. As a backup at a reasonable contract, I LOVE Matthews.
Unless the Jazz had a better SF than AK, then AK was slotted for SF (or maybe even PF) before SG. Kiri played nearly no time at the 2, last year. Matthews and KK played most of his time at the 2; CJ at the 3. And Matthews played more than Miles and Korver in both the regular season and the playoffs. Doesn't sound like a clear-cut backup to me. I don't trust Matthews' or Miles' defense yet, nor their shooting, but I see more upside in Matthews as a upcoming 2nd-year player than Miles as an upcoming sixth-year player, even though CJ is a bit younger in overall age.

Some have argued that SG and SF are interchangeable in the Jazz system, but I disagree on offense.
https://www.82games.com/0910/09UTA10.HTM#bypos
 
Btw, take a look at this: https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/49907340-87/jazz-matthews-offer-williams.html.csp


Does this sound like KOC has been actively negotiating with Wes or perhaps like someone who told him to go find another offer, like Siler reported? And if we thought 25 mil offer sheet was coming, why not talk to Wes and try to agree to similar deal, but without toxic first year. Looks like KOC was completely out of the loop on this whole thing, doesn't it?

Why should the Jazz, or any team, set the market for their own restricted free agents unless that player is a franchise guy? Let them go get their money, and if the money is fair, match. If not, good luck to you and congratulations on your new money and new team. Don't bid against yourself. I have no problem with the way the Jazz handled Matthews' negotiations. Or Miles or Millsap's.
 
Why should the Jazz, or any team, set the market for their own restricted free agents unless that player is a franchise guy?

To avoid toxic first year, when you are so close to luxury tax and don't have that much money to pay up front.
 
Just stop, willya, S2? Matthews had, performance-wise (although perhaps not effort-wise) a less than stellar performance in the summer league. He was strictly cheap insurance when the Jazz took him on. You, in effect, seem to be claiming that they "should have known" at training camp, that he was a better player than Brewer and decided to instantly ship Brewer off while signing Matthews for a longer term on the cheap.
Stop with your "just stop." Until you propose a player who is equivalent or better than Matthews, whom the Jazz can legitimately sign for less, Matthews is the best option whose contract was used as a bullying tactic after just one year in the league because Utah didn't negotiate a better deal. The eminent Sir Kicky put up a list of possible alternatives, and none of them seems all too viable--unless they sign for less. I was a Brewer backer for years, and I would still like to see Matthews for the MLE than Brew for half of it because Matthews can somewhat shoot.

And why the hell are you talking about the summer league only? Player evaluation starts long before the trip to Florida. As a matter of practice (not just with Matthews), Utah should offer more than one measly year to players who are halfway coherent and well behaved. You offer an undrafted player the equivalent of a late 1st-round pick's salary, and he'll accept it for a couple of years right out of college.

Matthews was a high-character player with playoff experience and an NBA pedigree who fell through the cracks. Gilbert Arenas' crazy deal after two years with GSW should've already been a lesson to the Jazz that this type of thing would happen. Heck, Portland did this to them last year. Fool me once? Shame on you.
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wesley-Matthews-5501/


For you, I guess it's convenient and satisfying that YOUR hindsight is 20/20, and that it allows you to mislead the credulous with a false appearance of foresight into believing that you have more grounds for claiming your own superiority as a GM over KOC. But it's simply a game for suckers, and you're not fooling anyone else. But you are, in the process, more or less slandering the Jazz management. But, then again, I guess that's all you're really here for to begin with, eh?
My recommendation continues to be the same: make it for more than one year if the pre-signing analysis warrants it. IMHO, Wes's did. IMHO, Augustine's doesn't.

Oh, and BTW, Hopper, this is a Utah Jazz website, where we analyze the actions of players, coaches, GMs, owners, and fans, so don't get your panties all tied up in a bun when someone actually puts forth some analysis, positive or negative.
 
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This is what the 10-11 season is all about for the Jazz.

Screw the playoffs, the Lakers, Heat, or Bulls are going to win it anyway.

We're in need of some serious makeovers.

Play the young kids, give them time, don't waste any time or money on guys that won't give us anything in the long term. In other words, KEEP AL HARRINGTON THE HELL OUT OF HERE.

Play the kids, and decide who's worth keeping.

Clear cap space. Try and horde some draft picks.

Play hard this next season.

Work towards building a brighter future. This next season doesn't have to be a complete failure. In fact, the only way it becomes a failure is if Sloan refuses to play the kids, if we lock up money long term with players who we know are going to be overpaid (Wes)or not play a key role in our long term success(Al), and if we don't work to gain assets.

Build a contender in the next few years.
 
Stop with your "just stop." Until you propose a player who is equivalent or better than Matthews, whom the Jazz can legitimately sign for less, Matthews is the best option whose contract was used as a bullying tactic after just one year in the league because Utah didn't negotiate a better deal.

So, you too have heard today's news, eh, S2? Well, aint that special? But what does what we all know today say about what anyone knew a year ago?

By your reasoning, Memo's contract is bad, even if he had the skillz of Kobe, because he got hurt. Of course since it is bad, we "should have" done it differently.
 
Maybe so, but Brewer or AK has spent many a game roaming the baseline much more than the SG does. Doesn't seem equivalent to me.

Because the Jazz flex offense has tons of options run off of it that is designed to maximize each individual skills. For example, both Brewer and Korver run the same curl play, but Brewer would be best to cut hard off it to the hoop while Korver takes a steeper angle to get an 18 footer or a pass to the screener. Same play, different option to run it.
 
So, you too have heard today's news, eh, S2? Well, aint that special? But what does what we all know today say about what anyone knew a year ago?
Your feeble attempt at a retort is irrelevant because I already spelled out the principle that still applies today: if you sign rookies with any minimal promise for just one year, this is what will happen. Utah knew that they were lean at the 2; they might've wanted to consider a longer deal. The Mo Williams loss should've taught them that; he was here for only one year. Then again, I don't know if signing a player for two years is a significantly better strategy because it gives the player more time to advance into a legit contributor.

Hopper, take a quaalude. Message boards are forums in which we can be virtual GMs or players or coaches. If you personally don't like what I say, than focus on the analysis, not on the ad hominem.
 
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