Hopper
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No, I don't. Nor do I see where your wordy "response" answers, or even addresses, the question I axxed to begin with. That's my beef, eh?
Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)
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No, I don't. Nor do I see where your wordy "response" answers, or even addresses, the question I axxed to begin with. That's my beef, eh?
Chad Feldheimer
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If Matthews came in and said he wanted the full MLE what would be the point of KOC offering anything? He says ok we offer the same thing? Then Matthews gets a bigger offer and the Jazz look like they got outbid? Matthews goes out and get the MLE and the Jazz match. He gets a lesser offer the Jazz match. He didn't have to offer. The Jazz had all the cards and knew their number and if it went over than that's life. Matthews was going to search NO MATTER WHAT. He or anyone else would be foolish not to.
DWill_Gr8tness
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ummmm why is everyone fighting?
Hopper
Banned
I can see a point, Chad, and I'll go further to speculate that, if that's what Matthews said, KOC did make him an offer for less than the MLE. Matthews, and his agent, were not so unsure of themselves or so afraid of risk that they took it though. That's my best guess.
Edit: KOC may well have added that, if Matthews DIDN"T get a better offer from another team, he (KOC) could not guarantee him that the same offer would still be there later.
memo is money
Active Member
I'm OK with either of them. Neither of two contradicts with my opinion. Matthews demanded full MLE (which he does not deserve IMO), and the Jazz said "you probably will not find a team that offers you that much".
- It proves that KOC contacted with Wes and tried to make things happen... You did accuse the FO, remember. What could they have done? I think, when it comes to RFAs, it's a reasonable option to let the market set the price for players. Just like your accusation for Millsap and CJ signings, this complaint is just a speculation. Had KOC offered contracts to these players before the season ended, there would have been some other fans complaining about how early the Jazz decided on such crucial actions, claiming that it would have been better to wait till FA. Complaints never end. Bottom line is: Millsap's contract seems even better after this FA Frenzy, in which players get long and big (not deserved) contracts. Paul is one of BETTER PFs in the NBA. Millsap will earn apprx. 20mil $ in 3 years, comparable to REDDICK's contract. See the difference ? CJ, FINALLY, started to show how talented and versatile he is.
You: "We could have counted and started negotiating rather than tell him to go find an offer if we really wanted this guy. I mean they said exact same thing to Millsap, and that didn't turn out so well, did it?"
You: "He was an RFA (which dissuades teams from pursuing him as he is not completely Free Agent) and CJ kind of set the market with 4/16 before. So, it is certainly reasonable to assume he could accept it. Of course that was if we started negotiations and actually moved our asses. According to Siler, KOC told him to find an offer from someone else. You know, same thing he told CJ and Millsap before."
Chad Feldheimer
Well-Known Member
Why would KOC make an offer at that point then? To try and low ball him? That would just piss him off. When he knew he would test the market regardless.
Who knows maybe Matthews wanted MORE than MLE. Look at what Outlaw got.
I think the Jazz are prepared to give Matthews whatever it takes. considering they never made an offer to Korver and are taking a wait and see attitude with Brewer. Trouble is that they are cheap and instead of making Matthews a reasonable deal, they decided to play Russian Roulette and hope they get him real cheap. Well, it didn't work with Sap and it's not working again with Matthews.
billyshelby
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Wes is a starting guard by default. He's a very good defender, I grant that. But 'sweet' offensive game? He's Courtney Lee Lite. How much would you pay for Courtney Lee?
Amongst listed SG's, per 48, Wes ranks: 27th of 40 in scoring; 28th in assists; 17th in steals; 29th in rebounds; 28th in blocked shots. By contrast, Lee is 12th in steals and 13th in rebounding, while roughly the same as Wes in other categories.
Wes is a good player, but not particularly great at anything. He should have a long career backing up starters with the intangibles he brings. But he's not a 5mil player.
Chad Feldheimer
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How did it not work with Millsap and how is it not working with Matthews?
Sap for 4y/32M would be a steal in this offseason. David Lee got about 5M more PER season and for 6 years.
Darkwing Duck
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This is what should have happened if KOC wasn't an idiot.............according to Borat:
KOC: What kind of money you looking for?
Matthews: 5 years, full MLE
KOC: How about something less?
Matthews: DONE!
KOC: What kind of money you looking for?
Matthews: 5 years, full MLE
KOC: How about something less?
Matthews: DONE!
Hopper
Banned
Why should it "piss him off?" This is a business, and both KOC and Matthews agent know it. I can imagine it goin down like this:
KOC: You think you can git $5 million a year, and maybe you can, I dunno. But we have no incentive to offer it to you without you gittin another offer first. But, I'll tell you what we will do:
We'll offer Wes $4.5 million a year right now, even though we think that could be too high. If he doesn't take it, I guarantee you that, if he DOESN'T get a higher offer, which we can match, whether you like it or not, then we will NOT offer more than $4 million a year. If Wes doesn't git a better offer, and doesn't wanna take $4 million, he can go play in Europe for a year. In the meantime, we'll fulfill our needs elsewhere. Think about it, and let us know what ya wanna do, eh?