Max Out Matthews?

[Stoked]

I just think we go all in for Russell. We offer Hood, our first rounder, the GSW 1st, the OKC 1st, Burke, and whatever else we have lying around if we don't get a top 3 pick. I would include Burks in that kind of package as well. We would consolidate assets and get Russ... then we could sign an established guy... say Danny Green and we wouldn't have a log jam.

We do not need to include Burke, Hood and Burks. Maybe it is just me but it kind of sounds like you will give them all to get a top 3.

Jazz have all their own first rounders, the GS 2017 1st, OKC future 1st, multiple 2nd rounders, Millsap, Booker and 3-4 foreign player rights.

Personally I'd offer up to two of Burke, Burks and Hood. I'd rather keep Hood and Burks at this point if they can.

But I agree that they Jazz need to make a legit run at trading for a top 2 pick to land Russell if they don't get lucky.

 

[franklin]

Havent been paying attention to Wes this year. Wes of old sure.

He's having a career year. Shooting 53% from 2, 40 from 3. He'd fit in perfectly in this system.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I guess how i feel about "maxing" wes matthews is like this: I cant see the future so i dont know what kind of money we will have to spend in 3 years or so..... but i think that there is a good chance that matthews is the 4th best player on our team in 2 years (and a smaller chance that he is our 5th best player or even 6th best player if burks and exum both get alot better) and i would be pissed if we had to lose one of favors, gobert, hayward, exum (or a alec burks that makes a similar leap to what we saw from gordon) because we couldnt afford them due to matthews contract.

now if we worked it just perfectly with the length of his deal that it would never affect keeping those guys then im all for it. its not my money right? Just doesnt seem smart to pay the 4th best player on your team max money. (even dumber if he is the fifth or sixth best player on the team)

Favors, Gobert and Hayward will all come up for new contracts. As has been mentioned, $14-$15M won't be max money after 2016. You can conceivably pay Hayward and Gobert $20M each, Favors $18, Matthews $14 and Burks $10M and still be WELL BELOW the luxury tax line of $100M+ adding in other veterans and draft picks to fill out the roster. Exum comes up for a raise just as contracts are set to expire. If he busts out and earns the max, then Jazz deal the contract of Burks or Matthews if they're set to exceed the luxury tax limit. If we were contending at that point, I have a feeling Greg would be willing to exceed it for a year if contracts overlap.

We're also assuming Hayward stays. I hope he does. But we need to give him a reason. Read his blog; he spoke very highly of Gobert. So I'm optimistic. But he also talked about the correlation of being on a winning team and receiving all-star consideration. I think the clock is ticking. Winning needs to start happening next year and the year after.

 

[franklin]

Gotta keep trying to get those elusive 3 superstars. (hopefully we already have at least one on our team right now, but i dont think we do)

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[Stifle Tower]

Stretch 4? That guy still has to play behind Favors/Gobert.

The wing is the position we need to upgrade. Burks can be a 6th man.

Agree. I think Booker is a great fit behind Favors. This is his first year shooting 3's and behind the back one-tappers and he's looked pretty good. I think we really need a backup 5 to get minutes behind Gobert. I want to see Favors get all his minutes at PF, where he prefers.

 

[Jazz4ever]

You are completely missing the point......


1.) Who else can we sign this year?
2) Who else can we sign next year?
3) The 3rd year the cap will be huge and Matthews max (or near max) will no longer be a max contract and won't be that big of % of the cap

For one, I just don't think he's that good. But I also don't like maxes because of the incremental raises and they can't be front loaded. Hayward and Gobert will both get huge raises in 2017/18. With Favors probably wanting double the money the following year. I'd rather give Middleton a big front loaded contract. He is 5 years younger and plays SF, a position of bigger need imo.

 

[fishonjazz]

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Unfortunately, ya you are right.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I agree........ even on the inclusion of burks

Gotta keep trying to get that elusive superstar. (hopefully we already have it on our team right now, but i dont think we do)

I don't think San Antonio has anyone playing at superstar level anymore. Look at their stats last year in the regular season. Parker led the way averaging 16.7 with Duncan at 15. Hayward and probably Favors both average more than 16.7 next season. SA beat Miami not on the backs of superstars, but because they had zero weaknesses to exploit and had 5 players on the court at all times who could shoot the ball. Obviously we need a lot of development from Gobert and Exum, but we're headed in that direction.

Not saying we don't try to go after Russell, but if we can't land him it's not the end of the world.

BTW, tell me who is a true superstar on Atlanta? They had 4 players named to the all-star team (some as replacements), but not one of those players is a superstar.

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors, Gobert and Hayward will all come up for new contracts. As has been mentioned, $14-$15M won't be max money after 2016. You can conceivably pay Hayward and Gobert $20M each, Favors $18, Matthews $14 and Burks $10M and still be WELL BELOW the luxury tax line of $100M+ adding in other veterans and draft picks to fill out the roster. Exum comes up for a raise just as contracts are set to expire. If he busts out and earns the max, then Jazz deal the contract of Burks or Matthews if they're set to exceed the luxury tax limit. If we were contending at that point, I have a feeling Greg would be willing to exceed it for a year if contracts overlap.

We're also assuming Hayward stays. I hope he does. But we need to give him a reason. Read his blog; he spoke very highly of Gobert. So I'm optimistic. But he also talked about the correlation of being on a winning team and receiving all-star consideration. I think the clock is ticking. Winning needs to start happening next year and the year after.

Like i said.....it aint my money. If they can max matthews and still retain all the other vauluable pieces then ya, go for it. I dont have your crystal ball telling me exactly how much the cap will be and exactly how much each and every player on the jazz will command.

But do you agree with the principle that it that is not typically a good idea to "max" the 4th or 5th best player on your team?

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think San Antonio has anyone playing at superstar level anymore. Look at their stats last year in the regular season. Parker led the way averaging 16.7 with Duncan at 15. Hayward and probably Favors both average more than 16.7 next season. SA beat Miami not on the backs of superstars, but because they had zero weaknesses to exploit and had 5 players on the court at all times who could shoot the ball. Obviously we need a lot of development from Gobert and Exum, but we're headed in that direction.

Not saying we don't try to go after Russell, but if we can't land him it's not the end of the world.

BTW, tell me who is a true superstar on Atlanta? They had 4 players named to the all-star team (some as replacements), but not one of those players is a superstar.

I would say that atlanta is the exception not the rule...... also i think they have no chance at winning the title this year. (i know all about thier record and how well they have faired against the west, but i still think they have no chance)

San antonio is loaded with hall of famers.

 

[The Midnight]

Depends who we get in the draft...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We do not need to include Burke, Hood and Burks. Maybe it is just me but it kind of sounds like you will give them all to get a top 3.

Jazz have all their own first rounders, the GS 2017 1st, OKC future 1st, multiple 2nd rounders, Millsap, Booker and 3-4 foreign player rights.

Personally I'd offer up to two of Burke, Burks and Hood. I'd rather keep Hood and Burks at this point if they can.

But I agree that they Jazz need to make a legit run at trading for a top 2 pick to land Russell if they don't get lucky.

Ideally we'd keep one of those guys, but I think we go all in on Russell. We could add our 1st rounder next year as well... it would suck to give up 3 additional first rounders to move up 5 spots or so, but it is hard to move from the second tier players to the first tier players in the draft. My starting point would be Burke, Hood, and the GSW/OKC picks. A team like LA might consider it... they need everything. I could see Minny considering it as well, but it would have to be Burks probably. Anytime the coach is the GM they do stupid stuff.