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Michigan Man Still Receives Food Stamps After Winning $2 Million Jackpot

Tell me, do you honestly argue that eliminating food stamps would:

#1 Stop all abuses of our society?

No. There's always an ******* willing to abuse the system.

Thriller said:
#2 Put a dent in our national debt?

So we should just ignore bad behaviour because it makes no difference in the bottom line?

Dumbass said:
#3 People be bailed out by local churches, charities, and family members?

Why not? It worked pretty well up until The New Deal.

SuperDumbass said:
#4 Society, as a whole, would be better without food stamps?

YES!! When society knows that if they fail, govt will be there to bail them out they quite trying. In fact, they try to fail to get the govt benefit. I know of women that purposefully get pregnant and have kids because they will get more money every month.

SuperDuperDumbAss said:
It's okay if you don't respond and disappear from this thread altogether. I understand

Understand this. You are flat out WRONG!!
 
I consider myself to be more on the conservative side of the isle, but come on people. Do away with food assistance programs? With any insurance or assistance program there will be fraud, private or public. No way of getting around it. The vast majority that use these programs NEED them though. Yes, we can always argue that they can get a better education and job, stop spending $ on computers, smart phones, and cars, etc etc etc... but come on. Is it a 4 year olds fault that mom has mental health issues that have kept her from getting or keeping a decent job? Is it the old man's fault that his retirement was decimated by the economic meltdown after working hard for 40+ years?

I also think it's hilarious that some are arguing that starvation wouldn't increase without food stamps. How is that logical?

I too have seen the frivolous use of Horizon cards while in the check out lines... expensive steaks, junk food, soda, etc etc etc. But I have also seen more examples of people buying bread, cheese, lunch meat, roasts, cereal, milk, and vegetables.
 
Why not? It worked pretty well up until The New Deal.

LOL!!!

Alright alright. You win. I give up.

There's no reason to argue with someone who believes this mantra.

Lets cut all food assistance programs. But lets remember, even if everyone on food stamps were eating sushi every single day for the rest of their lives. It still wouldn't come close to the amount of money spent on one year of oil subsidies.

But that's okay, it's just easier to blame old people and poor people on everything.
 
LOL!!!

Alright alright. You win. I give up.

There's no reason to argue with someone who believes this mantra.

Lets cut all food assistance programs. But lets remember, even if everyone on food stamps were eating sushi every single day for the rest of their lives. It still wouldn't come close to the amount of money spent on one year of oil subsidies.

But that's okay, it's just easier to blame old people and poor people on everything.



You don't argue the merits of something by emphasizing it is the lesser of two evils. One does not ignore one's teenage daughter's proclivity for sleeping around because her brother is a heroine addict. Furthermore, most of the zealots that argue that food stamps should be eliminated don't support oil subsidies. Most conservatives have argued for cutting farm subsidies for decades.

The original thread topic was the absurdity of a lottery winner still being allowed to get and use foods stamps. This is absurd to anybody with an IQ higher than a block of concrete and displays some of the failure of government programs to be adequately managed. I think Kicky has addressed the fraud myth adequately.

Like most who defend government intervention you and others in this thread twist the debate from "should government or private/charities address the food security problem" to "those that support the other than government option want people to starve." Throw in some absurd statements about CEO pay and other various emotional hot button side issues and pretty soon you don't have to think. It just makes you feel good.

The real question is who should be entitled and what parameters should be used to evaluate eligibility. Should women be able to reproduce while on food stamps? Should those on food stamps be allowed cell phones and cable TV and other various non-essentials? Should people receiving food stamps be allowed to purchase cigarettes or be allowed to purchase booze?

If the food stamp programs where suddenly terminated, I doubt starvation would increase overall. It would increase in certain portions of the elderly community and amongst single women with smallest children. Teens and adults won't starve, they will resort to other means. Begging, borrowing, or stealing will no doubt increase. Sitting around starving to death goes against human evolution. The real consequence of terminating food stamps will probably not be starvation.
 
Maybe $2 million doesnt' go as far as it once did. Inflation is starting to rear its ugly head ya know!


j/k

Isn't evolution all about survival of the fittest?

No. We've been through this discussion before. Where's One Brow when we need him?
This might be a straw man anyhow. And I'd hate to see him starve.

But I do think the attitude exemplified when "survival of the fittest" is called into play for situation such as this just points to major philosophical differences. I'm not officially religious, but I do support the Christian doctrine that we are our brother's keeper, and that by helping those less fortunate than ourselves, we also help ourselves.

It isn't that hard to get a decent education and get a decent paying job. Simply cut back on things you don't need (laptops, smartphones, xbox 360, etc. etc.) and I bet a lot of the people on food stamps would magically have more money for food.

Simplistic. And while it might be true in some situations, that's certainly not the general reality of poverty in the United States. But keep believing it if it makes you feel better.
 
...The original thread topic was the absurdity of a lottery winner still being allowed to get and use foods stamps....

The real question is who should be entitled and what parameters should be used to evaluate eligibility. Should women be able to reproduce while on food stamps? Should those on food stamps be allowed cell phones and cable TV and other various non-essentials? Should people receiving food stamps be allowed to purchase cigarettes or be allowed to purchase booze?

If the food stamp programs where suddenly terminated, I doubt starvation would increase overall. It would increase in certain portions of the elderly community and amongst single women with smallest children. Teens and adults won't starve, they will resort to other means. Begging, borrowing, or stealing will no doubt increase. Sitting around starving to death goes against human evolution. The real consequence of terminating food stamps will probably not be starvation.

LOL, yeah, nothing like throwing in another hot button topic like female reproduction!

But you've raised some good points. Even the reproduction issue is a good one, except for placing the entire responsibility on the woman.
 
LOL, yeah, nothing like throwing in another hot button topic like female reproduction!

But you've raised some good points. Even the reproduction issue is a good one, except for placing the entire responsibility on the woman.

You can include male sterilization if you want, no problem there. You can also include men fleeing and paying child support etc.
 
Yeah, people shouldn't be able to reproduce when they are in the lower or lowest income levels. Also, people on food stamps should not be able to buy toilet paper. We're talking only essential needs here people.
 
Yeah, people shouldn't be able to reproduce when they are in the lower or lowest income levels. Also, people on food stamps should not be able to buy toilet paper. We're talking only essential needs here people.

Nice contribution.
 
If the food stamp programs where suddenly terminated, I doubt starvation would increase overall. It would increase in certain portions of the elderly community and amongst single women with smallest children. Teens and adults won't starve, they will resort to other means. Begging, borrowing, or stealing will no doubt increase. Sitting around starving to death goes against human evolution. The real consequence of terminating food stamps will probably not be starvation.

I fail to see how this is an improvement.

Do we really want more begging, borrowing, and stealing? Furthermore, the time spent begging and stealing could have been used working. Even if it's at Walmart. But that's okay, as long as CEOs are making record profits (and paying less and less in taxes) and oil companies keep their subsidies (because heaven knows what they'd do without them!).
Should those on food stamps be allowed cell phones and cable TV and other various non-essentials?

Oftentimes, cell phones are cheaper than regular phones and their absurd plans. Also, what are non-essentials? Who gets to decide?

You cannot continue to rant about deficits while taking out all your frustration on poor and old people. That's the point. If you nutcakes want to get serious about erasing deficits, then you need to get off your Reagan like fantasy island and raise taxes., eliminate subsidies and handouts, and slash military spending (as Clinton did).

Until then, stop talking.

The class warfare is alive and well. With CEOs, wall street, rich media members, and big oil attacking teachers, poor people, and old people. I'm still waiting for all the jobs to be created by your voo doo trickle down economics. When are the Bush tax cuts going to have any positive effect again? We're all ears!
 
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