Still younger than Garnett and Duncan and some other names on that list
Millsap preparing for season despite lockout
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Still younger than Garnett and Duncan and some other names on that list
And still older than Millsap by half a decade.
The first year that Millsap started, he surpassed every year of Scola's production up to last year, and this year, he produced only marginally better. Now, you're telling me you'd rather have the guy that has never played here, has no chemistry with anyone and no history with the team at all, and is 5 years older? Maybe I'm not understanding correctly.
still doesnt matter.
How could that conceivably not matter?
Because the discussion was about who would you rather have starting over Millsap at PF, NOW. I could care less how old Gasol or Nowitzki are. Would I rather have them starting at PF over Millsap next year? Yes.
Huh, if anything Millsap's defense is heavily overrated by Jazz fans. He isnt strong or tall enough to guard bigger STARTING PFs nor is he quick enough to guard the Odoms or Nowitzkis of the league. He is a classic tweener on defense.
Scola vs Millsap is mostly a starter vs bench player comparison. Anyways, I am not saying Scola is better than Millsap by a huge margin, I am saying that at worst they are comparable.
Nowitski and Gasol are a far cry from Luis "Rockets fans think even less of me than the 2 Short LOL contingent of Jazz fans think of Millsap" Scola.
If they're practically equal players in production, but one is 5 years younger, plays much better D (that isn't saying anything), already plays for your team/is probably going to be the longest tenured player on the team still/has chemistry with the team that is there and comfort with the location and organization, is arguably your best player, is owed $25 million LESS (no joke), and has shown improvement every year, why would you choose the other?
Scola also doesn't/can't shoot 3's. He also requires 2.3 more shots in 1.7 fewer minutes to get his additional point. Or in other words, he's not as effective with the possession he uses (shoots worse from the field and from the line, in addition to getting to the line less). Millsap also has the edge in turnover rate if you want to split hairs. Millsap also has a better PER.
But their numbers are close. So please, let us flock to the slimiest flopper in the league, that is also significantly older (in the middle of a rebuild, no less), is owed almost THREE times as much money, and might hate it here. AND when you break it down, he's actually worse than Millsap in most categories.
At BEST they are comparable.
But their numbers are close. So please, let us flock to the slimiest flopper in the league, that is also significantly older (in the middle of a rebuild, no less), is owed almost THREE times as much money, and might hate it here. AND when you break it down, he's actually worse than Millsap in most categories.
At BEST they are comparable.
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My comparison is purely from basketball point of view. This is not about salaries or about production per value or about who would be a better fit for the Jazz.
Looks like you are in the wrong argument.
In terms of just basketball skills and production, if you did a ranking of PFs where would Millsap stand? Thats what was being discussed.
Age or current salary doesnt matter.
If you look at it that way, at WORST Scola is as good as Millsap.
Millsap hasnt even played an entire season as a starter, has he? He has done spot duty as a starter, at best. Those dont show up in your stats.
He doesnt need to. You are clutching at straws here. Not that Millsap is suddenly Hornacek-esque in his 3-pt shooting ability either just because he hit a few 3s early last season.
All said and done, the numbers are a wash. But Scola got his numbers by being a full time starter and being the 2nd or 3rd option on offense all the time, going up against premier players night in and night out.
As for defense lets agree to disagree. I have seen enough of Millsap to know that even if he is better at all in this department, it is not by much. He is overmatched on most nights, either in height/weight or on quickness. PFs who can put the ball on the floor can blow by him easily, and in the paint bigger PFs can easily post him up. He plays good team defense though and can block shots from the weakside(although that has gone down in recent years) but for the most part he is a tweener on both ends of the floor. The fact that the Jazz are even considering playing him at the 3 is proof enough. Not that he is a great fit at the 3 either.
Looks like you are in the wrong argument.
In terms of just basketball skills and production, if you did a ranking of PFs where would Millsap stand? Thats what was being discussed.
Age or current salary doesnt matter.
If you look at it that way, at WORST Scola is as good as Millsap.
Millsap hasnt even played an entire season as a starter, has he? He has done spot duty as a starter, at best. Those dont show up in your stats.
He doesnt need to. You are clutching at straws here. Not that Millsap is suddenly Hornacek-esque in his 3-pt shooting ability either just because he hit a few 3s early last season.
All said and done, the numbers are a wash. But Scola got his numbers by being a full time starter and being the 2nd or 3rd option on offense all the time, going up against premier players night in and night out.
As for defense lets agree to disagree. I have seen enough of Millsap to know that even if he is better at all in this department, it is not by much. He is overmatched on most nights, either in height/weight or on quickness. PFs who can put the ball on the floor can blow by him easily, and in the paint bigger PFs can easily post him up. He plays good team defense though and can block shots from the weakside(although that has gone down in recent years) but for the most part he is a tweener on both ends of the floor. The fact that the Jazz are even considering playing him at the 3 is proof enough. Not that he is a great fit at the 3 either.
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all that in bold is totally irrelevant. We are comparing player A vs player B purely in terms of basketball production, thats about it.
I could care less if Millsap makes less, or if he is going to be the longest tenured player in Jazz history or whatever.
The ranking is about who would you rather have over Millsap at starting PF, from a basketball point of view? Or simply put, who is better AT THIS POINT?
That's all there is to it.
If we were to take salaries and player willingness to play in Utah and all that, it would be a different discussion altogether.
But if age and durability is such an issue I would remind that last year was the first time Scola missed any games in the last 4 years. He has played in 82,82,82,74 games in the last 4 years, most of them as a starter.