Minutes played

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Another thing. I love what hardy has done with Keyonte's minutes. For a lot of the year he was just horrible and might have cost us a few games. Hardy didn't care. He loved what he saw in keyonte and believed in him and kept giving him large doses of regular minutes regardless of how keyonte played.

Now keyonte is playing great. He has been on a tear lately. (like the last 7-10 games or so? @HermanG would know) Got over 30 minutes last night! Awesomeness.

Well yeah, Keyonte is higher IQ than Sexton and Clarkson so it's easy to give him minutes. He's not making as many mistakes as Sexton and he isn't as erratic as Clarkson.

 

[fishonjazz]

The Jazz only have one complete player. The complete player gets the most minutes.

Everyone else is hyper flawed and has to be mixes and matched based on matchups if the Jazz want to have any chance on a game to game basis

I agree but I dont think that grayson allen is super amazing.
Looking at the games before last night: (suns Durant 35, gordon 38, beal 37, allen 35)
Thunder: Holmgren 31, Williams 35, sga 36, dort 30. Jazz: Markenann 36. No one else over 30
Bucks: Crowder 40, giannis 40, portis 36, lillard 38, beasley 30. Jazz: Markennan 36. No one else over 30 (no one even close actually)
76ers: Harris 39, maxey 41, oubre 40. Jazz: Lauri 33, collins 34
Knicks: Achuiwa 40, Brunson 38, Hart 43, Divincenzo 39. Jazz: Lauri 34. No one else over 30
Hornets: Miller 37, Bridges 41, Richards 36. Jazz: Markannen 36, Collins 32, Sexton 35 (much more typical this game in a nice 12 point win)
Even the wizards who aren't trying to win and were kinda blown out: Kuzman, gafford, and jones all over 30.
Could probably keep going forever but im gonna stop here.

It just seems to not be the norm.

 

[fishonjazz]

Lol. Maybe you should randomly grab one from the late 90s like l pointed out in my OP

Idk if 98-99 counts as late 90's but that season had malone 37, russell 35, and hornacek 30. (stockton and hornacek were 36 and 35 years old at that time which could effect things a bit.)
not sure 99-00 counts as late 90's either but that season had malone 36, russel 35, stockton 30. (now stockton is 37 years old and hornacek is 36. Their minutes were actually kinda high for their I think)

I concede that bringing up age is kind of moving the goalposts a bit but I wasn't really planning on talking about seasons from 30 years ago when I made this thread. I was more talking about the present

 

[fishonjazz]

Again, I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to hate on hardy though I can see how it may look that way.

I think tinkering and experimenting this season is a good thing even if we lose a few extra games.

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[Mr. T]

@fishonjazz have you ever heard the definition insanity? Do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Basically, what I am trying to hint is, that with the material available, Hard Willy simply cannot compete with other teams. Hence, you gotta find new ways of punching gaping holes into opponents. Thus far it has been speed and relentlessness. As this is an extremely taxing way of playing bb, especially at a high altitude, it requires distributing minutes. Basically a thing that is norm in icehockey.

I think, thus far the results are not too bad, so Hard Willy might be onto something here.

 

[Mr. T]

And to add, this is partially what creates the Jazz home agvantage.

 

[fishonjazz]

@fishonjazz have you ever heard the definition insanity? Do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Basically, what I am trying to hint is, that with the material available, Hard Willy simply cannot compete with other teams. Hence, you gotta find new ways of punching gaping holes into opponents. Thus far it has been speed and relentlessness. As this is an extremely taxing way of playing bb, especially at a high altitude, it requires distributing minutes. Basically a thing that is norm in icehockey.

I think, thus far the results are not too bad, so Hard Willy might be onto something here.

Agreed. I guess I'm just thinking that maybe there is more to it. A different angle.
Maybe Hardy is more on sync with the front office than some of us think.
Maybe he is trying to give the FO a look at more guys in case they want to move them. Maybe they want other teams to get more of a look at more guys. Maybe he is simply experimenting and tinkering with some things to figure out what may or may not work in the coming years (like the zone thing). Maybe he is playing the long game kind of like Danny Ainge is. I truly think we could have a few more wins if our best players played more minutes like most other teams who are trying to win do. But maybe the 10th seed isn't all that important to Hardy and he is looking more towards the future.

Idk, Im just having a hard time finding the other teams that are doing the same thing while also trying to maximize wins.

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[fishonjazz]

And to add, this is partially what creates the Jazz home agvantage.

Not saying your are wrong but if true then more teams should want the same advantages that we get by having a huge rotation with spread out low minutes and gimmicky defenses for their teams.

Maybe we are playing chess and they are playing checkers. Of course in this case chess is resulting in the 10th seed so far.

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[Mr. T]

Nothing makes a man more philosophical then Jaloviina or a derivative of it such as Jalokahvi. You might want to google it and give it a try if you ever travel to Finland.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just looking at some box scores last night:
Hawks: Okongwu 34 minutes, Bey 34, Johnson 38, young 40, bogdonovic 34
76ers: Harris 39 minutes, Reed, 32, Payne 36, Heild 40, Oubre 40 (both teams entire starting lineups played over 30 minutes. 3 Guys hit 40 minutes!)

Wizards: Kuzma 37 minutes, avdija 42, Jones 37, poole 37, Bilal 33.
Celtics: Tatum 38 minutes, porzingas 33, Holiday 34, white 33, brown 35. (both teams entire starting lineups played over 30 minutes. The wizards are a pretty bad team so its weird that they have so many good two way players without flaws if that is the reason for the jazz strange minute distribution)

Raptors: Barnes 35 minutes, Poetl 37, Trent jr 34, barret 36, Quickley 38.
Rockets: Smith jr 33 minutes, Thompson 32, Brooks 30, Holiday 31. (Raptors entire starting lineup over 30 minutes despite a guy just coming back from injury and two brand new players on the team. Seems like you would work those guys into the rotation more slowly)

Lakers: Hachimura 37 minutes, James 38, Russell 40, Reaves 31.
Pelicans: Williamson 32 minutes, Ingram 35, Mccollum 30.

Those were the non blowout games from last night. The more I look at this the more interesting and odd it becomes.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

I would almost guarantee somewhere out there is a study that indicates a certain number of minutes are optimal for an NBA athlete. It obviously wouldn't be exactly the same for every player but an average over a large sample size. I'm guessing its around 33 minutes.