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Misunderstood Rules of the NBA

LogGrad98 said:
That sounds reasonable and I understand what you are saying. It is the way it is called so obviously they are ok with it.

But is it just me, or is it becoming more frequent, as if players are really starting to use the extra motion through the lane as a competitive advantage more than they did in the past. I can't think of a single time seeing say Malone or Russell use this "trick" of a step, hop, then jump. But it seems like everyone is doing it now. It really does give them an advantage since the defensive player often jumps as the player makes that little hop (almost like a fake), so it gives the offensive player time to get his feet under him and jump while the defensive player is coming down.
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Do you mean that defense players are getting bigger and quicker so offensive players are adapting? Whoa! next you are going to tell the NBA has added expansion teams.
 
Malone traveled a fair amount where it wasn't called. They also don't like to call it unless it gives the offensive player an advantage (see Dan Majerle).

I do feel a hop-step plus a pivot is unfair and should be called more. Referees are fairly loose in interpreting a zero step, hop-step, which allows a pivot. I believe any hop step should negate any pivot. Would allow traveling to be more easily called.
 
Qman said:
Do you mean that defense players are getting bigger and quicker so offensive players are adapting? Whoa! next you are going to tell the NBA has added expansion teams.
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No I never really mentioned anything about the size of the players or adaptation inherent in the way they play the game. Rather we are discussing exploiting an unclear rule. Let us know when you are done with your own little conversation there and want to join in on the one that is actually going on.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Malone traveled a fair amount where it wasn't called. They also don't like to call it unless it gives the offensive player an advantage (see Dan Majerle).

I do feel a hop-step plus a pivot is unfair and should be called more. Referees are fairly loose in interpreting a zero step, hop-step, which allows a pivot. I believe any hop step should negate any pivot. Would allow traveling to be more easily called.
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Yeah most NBA players get away with traveling, some more regularly than others (see D Wade) and I agree about the hop-step pivot aspect you mentioned. But I do think players are using that move more and more for an advantage since it isn't called (again see D Wade).

If they really called traveling when it happened, in all its forms, it would change the game a lot, imo.
 
....I noticed "palming" is not classified as a "misunderstood" rule....mainly because in today's NBA it's really not against the rules!
 
Palming is a myth. That is just how the "move" is done, with the ball magically floating there on top of the guy's palm for 3 or 4 steps. Isn't that the magic "crab-dribble" that LeBron annointed so it is automatically worked into the rule book.
 
The nba-call that drives me crazy is the pseudo-double-dribble. If a player gets two hands on the ball and then fumbles it away - then picks it up, then dribbles - that's a legal play because nba officials will say "he never had complete control of the basketball." The rule should be - if you have 2 hands on the ball and then it touches the floor - you used up your dribble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFgB-GeIkMo
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Malone traveled a fair amount where it wasn't called. They also don't like to call it unless it gives the offensive player an advantage (see Dan Majerle).
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Agree; LeBron often got away with the "crab-dribble," Shaq in his prime would get away with an extra hop-step in the lane, and often when Malone would shoot his half-turn/half-face-up jumper on the left block - he would slide his pivot foot before going up for his shot (a perfect example on the basket that gave him 50 pts against Seattle in 2000). Hakeem had beautiful footwork, but he also would routinely take an extra step on his counter moves. (Random aside: If you ever go back and re-watch Game 5 of the '97 WCF [can be found on youtube], coming out of timeouts everyone in the Delta Center would be making the travelling motion to remind the officials to keep an eye on it. They finally called it and the place went bonkers.)

The subjectivity over travel no-calls never bothered me as much as the inconsistencies with illegal defenses and 3-seconds.
 
vslice02 said:
The nba-call that drives me crazy is the pseudo-double-dribble. If a player gets two hands on the ball and then fumbles it away - then picks it up, then dribbles - that's a legal play because nba officials will say "he never had complete control of the basketball." The rule should be - if you have 2 hands on the ball and then it touches the floor - you used up your dribble.
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...THAT'S another violation they never call in the NBA...but was always called when I was growing up playing basketball! Your ABSOLUTELY correct! You catch the ball, drop the ball...start dribbling, you have DOUBLE DRIBBLED! Technically, the way they call it now or don't call it...you could drop the ball all the way to the basket until you got close enough to shoot...and it wouldn't be a violation, right???
 
carolinajazz said:
...THAT'S another violation they never call in the NBA...but was always called when I was growing up playing basketball! Your ABSOLUTELY correct! You catch the ball, drop the ball...start dribbling, you have DOUBLE DRIBBLED! Technically, the way they call it now or don't call it...you could drop the ball all the way to the basket until you got close enough to shoot...and it wouldn't be a violation, right???
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YES! I remember hearing Ronnie Nunn explain the way they call it...that in the NBA - regardless whether the ball hits the floor, if you did not intentionally dribble - then you retain your dribble. Ridiculous!
 
Ah, I see, so if I knock down a pass from the opposing team with both hands, and pick it up and dribble, it's a travel.

Gotcha.
 
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