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[Handlogten's Heros]

Defensive minded wings (big or medium and fast).

A true stretch big... could be a PF, like Jamychal Green, that can play some center. Could just be a stretch 5 like Meyers Leonard. Meyers would be about as bad as TB on defense but he'd allow us to space the defense completely out and throw a different look out there. I'm not wild about him but I think he could be fairly cheap and I'd consider that an upgrade.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Short of fireworks and living in our ****** reality, Jazz should roll with Morgan and/or Brantley as our backup bigs and re-sign Clarkson and see if they can make a shrewd signing to shore up the rotation.

If I have to choose between Clarkson and Favors it’s Clarkson and it’s not close.

I'm mixed on the Favs thing... if Quin continues to run one main defensive scheme then having a backup like Favs is important. I think it'd be better to allocate resource elsewhere and try some different stuff on the second unit. I think Morgan and Brantley could be good in switching schemes.

I'm almost sure we do the safe, familiar thing and get Favs. I'm okay with it if we work a sign and trade and throw Ed, TB, and a second back to NO. If we lose JC and use the MLE on Favs that's like $50M in cap dedicated to Centers.

 

[LoPo]

I'm mixed on the Favs thing... if Quin continues to run one main defensive scheme then having a backup like Favs is important. I think it'd be better to allocate resource elsewhere and try some different stuff on the second unit. I think Morgan and Brantley could be good in switching schemes.

I'm almost sure we do the safe, familiar thing and get Favs. I'm okay with it if we work a sign and trade and throw Ed, TB, and a second back to NO. If we lose JC and use the MLE on Favs that's like $50M in cap dedicated to Centers.

How much would you give Favors in a contract?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

How much would you give Favors in a contract?

Around 3/30M is a fair deal imo. Again I'd very much prefer a sign and trade with Ed and TB. I don't think Favs gets full MLE and he has given discounts for familiarity and stability here before.

It also depends on where Rudy's extension lands. He ain't getting supermax but at full regular max for 4 years having a $10m a year backup when the rest of the league kinda patches that hole together at the minimum seems like a tough allocation of resources.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I prefer Bojan at the 3. He can play some minutes at 4 but I think he plays better at the 3.

I think Mitchell should be the PG for the most part.

I like Royce will enough but I think he's a bench player, but he can start and be decent.

That leaves us with the biggest need at PF to me and the second at the wing. I would like both players to be decent 3 point shooters and decent defenders. I would prefer the PF to be decent at rebounding and at have done height and hustle to try and guard the rim a little.

After that we need some depth. We need a decent pick and roll big for Ingles and possibly Conley to play with in the second unit.

Getting all that is a pretty tall task though. Especially if we don't trade Conley.

 

[LoPo]

Around 3/30M is a fair deal imo. Again I'd very much prefer a sign and trade with Ed and TB. I don't think Favs gets full MLE and he has given discounts for familiarity and stability here before.

It also depends on where Rudy's extension lands. He ain't getting supermax but at full regular max for 4 years having a $10m a year backup when the rest of the league kinda patches that hole together at the minimum seems like a tough allocation of resources.

Wow. I didn't figure that much. I personally don't think a team in the league would give him their full MLE ($9.6).

Last season, he was the only legit big man for the Pelicans for a majority of the season. He still only played 24.4 mpg, and he'll turn 30 after next season.

In my opinion, we try our best to convince him to come at the full BAE. I know it sounds cheap at $7.5 over 2 years ($3.6 per), but that kind of deal gives us the leverage to truly make a run at contender status. We sell him on the fact that he'll be honored like a team legend. He knows the city, system, teammates, role, etc. We can try to convince him that he can stick around for the long haul even as he declines kind of like Haslem in Miami.

If we could keep Clarkson ($10ish), sign MLE wing help, sign Favors to the BAE, then we are an Ed Davis dump away from being under the luxury. He probably won't go for that amount, but that's the angle I'm taking.

Last summer, when more teams had money, look at these contracts for PF/C who are more bench players or fringe starters:

— Al-Farouq Aminu agrees to a three-year, $29 million contract with the Orlando Magic.
— DeMarre Carroll agrees to a three-year, $21 million contract with the San Antonio Spurs.
— Ed Davis agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Utah Jazz.
— Maxi Kleber agrees to a four-year, $35 million contract with the Dallas Mavericks.
— Enes Kanter agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Boston Celtics.
— Frank Kaminsky agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Phoenix Suns.
— Kevon Looney agrees to a three-year, $15 million contract to return to the Golden State Warriors.
— Daniel Theis agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Boston Celtics.
— Boban Marjanovic agrees to a two-year, $7 million contract with the Dallas Mavericks.
— Markieff Morris agrees to a two-year, $7.4 million contract with the Detroit Pistons.
— Ivica Zubac agrees to a four-year, $28 million contract to return to the Los Angeles Clippers.
— JaMychal Green agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Los Angeles Clippers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wow. I didn't figure that much. I personally don't think a team in the league would give him their full MLE ($9.6).

Last season, he was the only legit big man for the Pelicans for a majority of the season. He still only played 24.4 mpg, and he'll turn 30 after next season.

In my opinion, we try our best to convince him to come at the full BAE. I know it sounds cheap at $7.5 over 2 years ($3.6 per), but that kind of deal gives us the leverage to truly make a run at contender status. We sell him on the fact that he'll be honored like a team legend. He knows the city, system, teammates, role, etc. We can try to convince him that he can stick around for the long haul even as he declines kind of like Haslem in Miami.

If we could keep Clarkson ($10ish), sign MLE wing help, sign Favors to the BAE, then we are an Ed Davis dump away from being under the luxury. He probably won't go for that amount, but that's the angle I'm taking.

Last summer, when more teams had money, look at these contracts for PF/C who are more bench players or fringe starters:

— Al-Farouq Aminu agrees to a three-year, $29 million contract with the Orlando Magic.
— DeMarre Carroll agrees to a three-year, $21 million contract with the San Antonio Spurs.
— Ed Davis agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Utah Jazz.
— Maxi Kleber agrees to a four-year, $35 million contract with the Dallas Mavericks.
— Enes Kanter agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Boston Celtics.
— Frank Kaminsky agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Phoenix Suns.
— Kevon Looney agrees to a three-year, $15 million contract to return to the Golden State Warriors.
— Daniel Theis agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Boston Celtics.
— Boban Marjanovic agrees to a two-year, $7 million contract with the Dallas Mavericks.
— Markieff Morris agrees to a two-year, $7.4 million contract with the Detroit Pistons.
— Ivica Zubac agrees to a four-year, $28 million contract to return to the Los Angeles Clippers.
— JaMychal Green agrees to a two-year, $10 million contract with the Los Angeles Clippers.

Yeah I'm not sure BAE is a convo starter tbh. I think he could get one year and $10M from NO worst case scenario. He might get closer to a Zubac type deal. I would not give him more than 3 years. He's very clearly better than many of the guys on that list... so not all good comps.

But that is what I'm kind of saying. He's starter quality... so you pay a premium... when others are getting by with paying less. It's why I'd want some variance in the type of big we got... so at least it'd add another dimension.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah I'm not sure BAE is a convo starter tbh. I think he could get one year and $10M from NO worst case scenario. He might get closer to a Zubac type deal. I would not give him more than 3 years. He's very clearly better than many of the guys on that list... so not all good comps.

But that is what I'm kind of saying. He's starter quality... so you pay a premium... when others are getting by with paying less. It's why I'd want some variance in the type of big we got... so at least it'd add another dimension.

I'm not sure Favors is considered starter quality seeing as his body can't hold up as a starter.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not sure Favors is considered starter quality seeing as his body can't hold up as a starter.

Fair point for sure. I think NO would bring him back at more than BAE though.

I think the minimum that Favs takes is like 3/20M or he gets a one year 10M from someone. If he went 2/7.5M you take that all damn day of course. That's Tony Bradley money. If his market completely dried up and he did 2/10M with a player option on second year I'd be fairly shocked.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There are a fair amount of veteran bigs on the market and I wonder if there is some value in that market. Guys I'm curious to see what they get:

- Marc Gasol
- Serge Ibaka
- Favors
- Baynes
- Tristan Thompson

then there are some young vets and some interesting guys on the rise:

- Nerlen Noel
- Montrez
- Wood of course.

Will be curious to see the contract values for all of these.

Maybe we could fill that need on the cheap.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fair point for sure. I think NO would bring him back at more than BAE though.

I think the minimum that Favs takes is like 3/20M or he gets a one year 10M from someone. If he went 2/7.5M you take that all damn day of course. That's Tony Bradley money. If his market completely dried up and he did 2/10M with a player option on second year I'd be fairly shocked.

Tony Bradley only makes Tony Bradley money cuz he got drafted. He may very well not be in the NBA after his contract is up. The market is completely dried up in general, I can only imagine it will be even drier for true centers.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

II dont watch enough of Derrick Jones Jr to say for sure, but I like the idea of adding him.