Mother Mistakes Daughter for Intruder, Shoots and Kills Her.

[Joe Bagadonuts]

pretty sure we don't know it all.

was the mom tested for drugs when the police arrived?

was a complete autopsy ordered, including drug screen and signs of violence.

could be the cops did their job thoroughly and reported it completely, whatever.

gun safety rules or no, people will do stuff because we're not all put together just right, and never always. We all have our moments.

would we care just as much if the weapon used was a brick, a bat, or anything else. We're off our nut if it takes a gun to make it newsworthy. Don't come traipsing around my house in the dark if you're gonna be fussy about how or when you die. We got light switches for a purpose, doe.

I'm certain you're right that there's a lot we don't know. Borris' speculation appears to be wrong. That's all I was pointing out.

My gut tells me that if a mother accidentally smashed her daughter's head in with a brick that it would probably make the evening news. I've decided not to come tip-toing around your house at night, btw.

 

[The Midnight]

Huh?

Well I guess I'm just asking a question for firearms advocate about how an 80 year old lady living alone is supposed to be able to defend herself using a gun against intruders?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Well I guess I'm just asking a question for firearms advocate about how an 80 year old lady living alone is supposed to be able to defend herself using a gun against intruders?

There is no requirement to defend your home with a gun, no matter what your age. If you are too frail to handle one, it is probably not a good choice to have one. GFs rules seemed reasonable to me. The same is true with 80 year old ladies driving cars. At some point most of them have their licenses revoked because they cannot safely operate a vehicle.

 

[The Midnight]

There is no requirement to defend your home with a gun, no matter what your age. If you are too frail to handle one, it is probably not a good choice to have one. GFs rules seemed reasonable to me. The same is true with 80 year old ladies driving cars. At some point most of them have their licenses revoked because they cannot safely operate a vehicle.

Well I guess the main premise at least for me with gun ownership is in saying everyone can own a gun so everybody is on equal footing. (i.e., you threaten me with a gun, I have a gun also to defend myself)


However, if there are certain groups of people who cannot safely operate a gun (i.e., young & old single ladies), then it brings to question the equality of gun ownership.


My take is either everyone can own/operate it safely or disallow it all together.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Well I guess the main premise at least for me with gun ownership is in saying everyone can own a gun so everybody is on equal footing. (i.e., you threaten me with a gun, I have a gun also to defend myself)


However, if there are certain groups of people who cannot safely operate a gun (i.e., young & old single ladies), then it brings to question the equality of gun ownership.


My take is either everyone can own/operate it safely or disallow it all together.

Brilliant. Since old ladies can't operate guns safely then everyone else is going to turn them in, including the criminals of course, because we know that obeying the law is very important to them. And since old ladies can't drive safely we should also all turn in our cars.

 

[The Midnight]

Brilliant. Since old ladies can't operate guns safely then everyone else is going to turn them in, including the criminals of course, because we know that obeying the law is very important to them. And since old ladies can't drive safely we should also all turn in our cars.

Can't compare cars to guns. People don't use cars to intimidate and you don't use cars to defend yourself neither. I can drive a car to Walmart and an old lady can take a bus, we're both happy and can get to the same destination.


With guns however, if a man who holds a gun (because of his constitutional right) uses that gun to threaten an old lady - are you telling me she is supposed to defend herself with her crutches? (i.e., because she cannot safely operate a gun)?


That's unfair. Either everyone can own a gun or no one can (except the police of course). Fair is fair.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

^Despite the impression that the media is apparently giving you, America is not in a state of standoff where we all stand around pointing our guns at our neighbors, and only not firing because they are pointing their guns back at us. Most people have no interest whatsoever in shooting anybody.

 

[The Midnight]

^Despite the impression that the media is apparently giving you, America is not in a state of standoff where we all stand around pointing our guns at our neighbors, and only not firing because they are pointing their guns back at us. Most people have no interest whatsoever in shooting anybody.

But the premise of gun ownership is the right to defend one self with it. If a certain part of the population cannot operate it safely, to me that's a cause of inequality. It's a matter of principle as well as practicality.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

But the premise of gun ownership is the right to defend one self with it. If a certain part of the population cannot operate it safely, to me that's a cause of inequality. It's a matter of principle as well as practicality.

Defend oneself from criminals. Not from old lady neighbors. What a ridiculous take this is.

 

[The Midnight]

Defend oneself from criminals. Not from old lady neighbors. What a ridiculous take this is.

But who are these 'criminals'? Often times they're just everyday people like us who make bad decisions.


If you're talking about serious criminals and gangs and such then that's what the police are for.

 

[Miggs]

Defend oneself from criminals. Not from old lady neighbors. What a ridiculous take this is.

It's Kinkkk. Take it fwiw.

 

[The Midnight]

Defend oneself from criminals. Not from old lady neighbors. What a ridiculous take this is.

Is Oscar Pistorius a criminal? He's just another guy who's allowed to own a gun but decides to use that gun to kill his GF.


He wasn't a criminal until he decided to fire that gun.