Move On From Hayward?

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I think he said he would take those players over Hayward.
I don't think he said they are better.

Yeah, apologies to [MENTION=4667]LoPo[/MENTION], I missed that part... I still don't agree about some of them, but if we are talking about long-term value the ones I had problem with are more reasonable.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I mean, I'm just a little perplexed on Hayward not being an alpha. He's obviously not a star, but he's really good.

Our team had the 11th best point differential in the league (or close to it) with a bunch of key injuries and our best pg was literally somebody else's 3rd stringer. Our depth is pathetic. All things considered, Hayward led us pretty damn well.

 

[fishonjazz]

The Jazz were also last in possessions per game. If you put them exactly at league average, Hayward averages 21 ppg based on his points per possession. Go towards the top of the possessions in the league, and he's at 22 ppg, and nobody is saying he isn't an alpha. Like I said, the whole points argument people are making is a dumb, and uneducated stance.

Good post

 

[Jazz4ever]

The Jazz were also last in possessions per game. If you put them exactly at league average, Hayward averages 21 ppg based on his points per possession. Go towards the top of the possessions in the league, and he's at 22 ppg, and nobody is saying he isn't an alpha. Like I said, the whole points argument people are making is a dumb, and uneducated stance.

With more volume though TS% generally sinks, and at .560 Hayward is on the very low end already for an "alpha"
Beyond this though, elite defenders like Leonard simply takes him out of the game. He doesn't have the length to shoot over them, and his bullying moves are ineffective. Here are the box scores against Leonard this year.

https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828251
team worst -42
https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828419
team worst -27
https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828747
team worst -19

 

[RandyForRubio]

And no, Hayward probably isn't worth $30/yr, but that's how the market is going. That's what players of his caliber are going to get paid. For me, I'd rather pay Hayeard that then pay Barnes twenty something million a year.

 

[RandyForRubio]

With more volume though TS% generally sinks, and at .560 Hayward is on the very low end already for an "alpha"
Beyond this though, elite defenders like Leonard simply takes him out of the game. He doesn't have the length to shoot over them, and his bullying moves are ineffective. Here are the box scores against Leonard this year.

https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828251
team worst -42
https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828419
team worst -27
https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828747
team worst -19

Leonard takes everybody out of their element. The guy bothers LeBron, Durant, etc. I don't expect Hayward to excel verse him. But hey, great point! Leagues best defender takes other good players out of their element. Shocker.

As for the TS%, Hayward actually had a higher usage rate and higher TS% in the 14-15 year. I wouldn't be concerned. I think what you're missing is how much our offense hurts our players.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I'm just saying, average out the possessions for our team, and Hayward is pretty close to a 21/6/5 guy that plays damn good defense. We wanna move on from that?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm just saying, average out the possessions for our team, and Hayward is pretty close to a 21/6/5 guy that plays damn good defense. We wanna move on from that?

Bruh, Jazzfanz. They want to ignore our team having terrible injury luck and put the blame on that fact we don't have a guy who can score 22 ppg, because that extra point per game makes all the difference.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And no, Hayward probably isn't worth $30/yr, but that's how the market is going. That's what players of his caliber are going to get paid. For me, I'd rather pay Hayeard that then pay Barnes twenty something million a year.

I think this is largely an emotional element involved. Paying any NBA player outside of Durant/Lebron/Curry/Westbrook seems ridiculous because 30 million is way more than what we are use to paying any NBA player. When people realize that is what the market is, they will understand and be more objective in their reasoning.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean, I'm just a little perplexed on Hayward not being an alpha. He's obviously not a star, but he's really good.

Our team had the 11th best point differential in the league (or close to it) with a bunch of key injuries and our best pg was literally somebody else's 3rd stringer. Our depth is pathetic. All things considered, Hayward led us pretty damn well.

And Hayward has upped his scoring average every single year.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think this is largely an emotional element involved. Paying any NBA player outside of Durant/Lebron/Curry/Westbrook seems ridiculous because 30 million is way more than what we are use to paying any NBA player. When people realize that is what the market is, they will understand and be more objective in their reasoning.

Good post

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

With more volume though TS% generally sinks, and at .560 Hayward is on the very low end already for an "alpha"
Beyond this though, elite defenders like Leonard simply takes him out of the game. He doesn't have the length to shoot over them, and his bullying moves are ineffective. Here are the box scores against Leonard this year.

https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828251
team worst -42
https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828419
team worst -27
https://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828747
team worst -19

What a dumbass retarded ****ing post.

You know Hayward is the only player with a 100 or more possessions against Kahwi Leonard to avearge over a point per possession? So of all the ****ing alphas out there, Hayward is doing better than any of then (or at least better than most)vs Leonard.

Take a seat.