my last dumb phone
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As I said, I'm sure some of the code is preserved. The preservation of the WebKit doesn't necessarily mean that even 25% of the code is identical.
SaltyDawg
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So then your argument is even if it looks the same, functions the same, and has similar code, if the code isn't identical then it isn't the same app?
You're pretty knowledgeable on a number if subjects, but you're out of your element on this one.
It doesn't work like that with software. There are countless examples that show this, but I'll just point to the courts all over the world finding that Samsung violated a bunch of Apple software patents even though they didn't have 1 line of shared code, and the software in question wouldn't even run on the other's platform anyway.
But if I sell you a beverage in a coke bottle, with a coke logo on it it doesn't matter that what's inside is not coke. That's not the issue. And saying that coke could sue me doesn't mean that what I put in that bottle is the same as coke in any way.
SaltyDawg
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Well Samsung didn't brand their product as Apple, so that isn't/wasn't the issue.
Samsung was sued for their software being too similar to Apple, even though not 1 line of code was shared and it wouldn't even run on that platform.
So One Brow's argument that even though the creators of Chrome say it's the same app, and even though they have a lot of shared code, and even though they do the same thing, they're different apps because not all the code is identical, is pretty much already proven to be incorrect (by every court that has ruled on it so far ).
Yuo are talking about a legal identity. I was discussing the code that runs. The apps are not the same.
If they were the same app, you could run each app in both locations.
SaltyDawg
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I am not talking about a legal identity. They didn't get in trouble for using Apple's name, they got in trouble for their software being too similar. And this was despite the fact that there was not even 1 line of code that was identical, and the software in question wouldn't even run on the other's platform.
This has happened many times, by the way. I just used this example because I was sure everyone was familiar with it. You could also look at the many times Apple lost these type of disputes when Microsoft sued them over Mac OS violating Windows patents.
SaltyDawg
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Absolutely not. They are not the same version, but they are the same app.
I'm really not interested in discussing patents, because it's irrelevant to whether Chrome on the PC is the same program as Chrome on a smartphone. It isn't.
I have differnet versions of Office on one of my PCs. It runs all three versions of Access with no issues.
However, since we agree that the codeset is different, I am not going to worry about whether we agree on the term "app". Smartphones seem faster because they run less code, not because they actually process data faster.
SaltyDawg
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Says who? You? Who died and made you king?
Google (the guys who make Chrome) says it's the same, the legal system in every country that has ruled on this type of thing says it's the same, and it's been accepted practice to say it's the same for as long as different versions of software have existed.
So was Rock Band on Wii not the same game as Rock Band on Xbox then?
SaltyDawg
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I guarantee your version of Access won't run on a Mac (or a PC if you have a Mac).
Smartphones ARE faster. Your excuses for WHY they're faster are not relevant. What is relevant is that on a smartphone I can open chrome a lot faster than I can open chrome on a computer.
By the way, yes, smartphones DO process data faster. ARM is a much more efficient architecture than x86. They just can't process as much data as x86.
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or we could try to find the buckner thread and stage another revival 
Do I need to be king in order to choose to not discuss patents?
The same code? I think not.
You tell me. If the code is the same, go ahead and put the XBox disc into the Wii, or vice-versa. Tell me how it runs.
Bam!
As long as you re-define "fast" to mean "runs on a shorter track", OK. Did you know I'm faster than Carl Lewis ever was? It took him alsmost ten seconds to runn 100 meters, I can go 100 inches in less than two seconeds. I'm faster.
SaltyDawg
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Well you're saying despite what the law/courts say, despite what has been accepted in the industry forever, despite what the actual creators of the app say, it's still not the same app because YOU say so. Okay king One Brow, it's your world, we're all just renting space, Iol.
Yes, they say it's the same WebKit engine.
That is my point. An Xbox game won't run if you put it in a PS3. But that certainly doesn't mean Rock Band on Xbox is a different game than Rock Band on PS3. I could also say the Star Wars bluray won't play in a DVD player, but that doesn't mean it's a different movie than the Star Wars DVD.
No, I don't have to define it that way at all, lol. You can't seem to separate "processes more data" with "processes data faster." The 2 are not the same thing. When you finally understand that, you'll understand that smartphones do process data faster than pcs. If you raced Carl Lewis, he'd kill you. And if you open the same webpage in chrome on your pc and your smartphone, the phone will be faster every time.