my last dumb phone

[Jazz Spazz]

They're probably sexting each other.

Again, a waste of time.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

ooI HATE THAT!!

A little worse was the time only one of the people on the date was on the phone the whole time, the other person was just sitting quietly looking around.

That is just depressing.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Really? Computers won't be able to use the same technology, with larger resources to draw upon? Suuuuuure. I have no doubt that the smart phones of ten years in the future will be comparable to desktops today. However, the desktops will be conssiderably better, as well.

Smartphones of today are much, MUCH, faster than computers. If you look at the raw specs, you might be lead to believe the computer is faster. If you pick up a smartphone, you'll see it is much faster and not even close. The operating system is much more streamlined and efficient. And no, computers don't have all the same technology. When is the last time you saw a computer that had GPS, 4G internet, and the Google Play store? And when is the last time you had a computer that had all of that, had a battery that lasted 8 hours, and fit in your pocket? A large part of the power of a smartphone is the fact that you have it with you at all times.

You won't be able to bring those phones into several different facilities (for example, any government faciltiy with a classification of Secret or better).

Well if you have secret clearance to get into one of those government buildings, and the security guard won't let you bring your phone in, then you leave your phone in the car. I doubt this is an issue though as just about every phone made today has all of these capabilities.

I will get all that for $10/month? I find that hard to believe.

You get what you pay for, but you can get a limited plan for $12 per month:
https://www.pagepluswireless.com/

 

[Hotdog]

Salty Dawg, whats the point in trying to explain it anymore? Its like trying to explain to your grandparents the usefulness of the internet.

I guess some people are born with a limit of how many new inventions they'll allow in their lives. You me realize how stupid it is to shutdown and ignore the great advancements of man kind. Dont worry about it. Its their loss.

 

[One Brow]

Smartphones of today are much, MUCH, faster than computers.

Suuure they are. Show me the benchmarks on processing 2,000,000,000 distinct operations. The reason they have scaled-down operating systems is because they are not as fast.

If you look at the raw specs, you might be lead to believe the computer is faster. If you pick up a smartphone, you'll see it is much faster and not even close. The operating system is much more streamlined and efficient.

It has to be, because the smartphone lacks the power of the desktop.

When is the last time you saw a computer that had GPS,

Laptops sometimes do, and I'm sure you can buy them for desktops (I'm just not sure why you would).

4G internet,

My ethernet is 10G.

and the Google Play store?

Desktops can't access that? Really?

And when is the last time you had a computer that had all of that, had a battery that lasted 8 hours, and fit in your pocket?

"Fitting in your pocket" is convenience, not spped. Lasting eight hours is nice, but I only recharge my cell twice a week.

A large part of the power of a smartphone is the fact that you have it with you at all times.

Again, that's convenience, not speed.

Well if you have secret clearance to get into one of those government buildings, and the security guard won't let you bring your phone in, then you leave your phone in the car.

You think I need a security guard to force me to follow protocol?

I doubt this is an issue though as just about every phone made today has all of these capabilities.

You think the government changes it's rules on what's allowed in Secret facilities based on popularity?

You get what you pay for, but you can get a limited plan for $12 per month:
https://www.pagepluswireless.com/

Does that include everyting you just said?

 

[One Brow]

Its like trying to explain to your grandparents the usefulness of the internet.

I work in IT. Everyone around me uses smartphones. I know they find them very useful. I just don't feel the need.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Suture they are. Show me the benchmarks on processing 2,000,000,000 distinct operations. The reason they have scaled-down operating systems is because they are not as fast.

Why would I care about the benchmarks? I'll race you to Jazzfanz, or any other real world task, and beat you handily. I don't care what benchmarks say, I care about actual usage.

It has to be, because the smartphone lacks the power of the desktop.

So what? My motorhome has a lot more power than my friend's camaro, it's still nowhere near as fast. Same thing with a smartphone. My smartphone is much, MUCH, faster than my desktop. And it's not even close. Even though my desktop would benchmark way higher. As I previously stated, if you just look at the numbers you might be lead to believe the computer is faster. If you pick up a smartphone, you'll see that it's much faster than your computer.

Laptops sometimes do, and I'm sure you can buy them for desktops (I'm just not sure why you would).

Well when is the last time you saw a laptop that could take an 8 MP picture, send a text message to a cell phone, give you GPS guided turn by turn directions, and has an 8 hour battery? Good luck finding that laptop.

My ethernet is 10G.

No it isn't. Maybe 1G, but certainly not 10.

Desktops can't access that? Really?

No, they can't, really. They can view it, but they can't install or run any of the apps.

"Fitting in your pocket" is convenience, not spped. Lasting eight hours is nice, but I only recharge my cell twice a week.

It's absolutely speed, lol. I can pull my phone out of my pocket and do whatever a heck of a lot faster than you can go home and boot up your desktop. In this case, convenience is speed.

Again, that's convenience, not speed.

See above. It's convenience and speed.

You think I need a security guard to force me to follow protocol?

I think you overstate the difficulty of leaving your phone in the car should you ever find yourself in a building that doesn't allow 99% of the current phones inside. My guess is you will find many, MANY more instances where the phone comes in handy, than when the phone is a hindrance.

You think the government changes it's rules on what's allowed in Secret facilities based on popularity?

I don't think it's stopped many people from buying a smartphone. I know Obama carries more than one.

Does that include everyting you just said?

Yes. There are limits on how much you can use it, but it includes voice minutes, text messages, and data. Click the link I included in that post for more info on it.

 

[Gameface]

So what? My motorhome has a lot more power than my friend's camaro, it's still nowhere near as fast. Same thing with a smartphone. My smartphone is much, MUCH, faster than my desktop. And it's not even close. Even though my desktop would benchmark way higher. As I previously stated, if you just look at the numbers you might be lead to believe the computer is faster. If you pick up a smartphone, you'll see that it's much faster than your computer.

Get an SSD for your desktop, basically what your smartphone uses.

Can I play COD on my smartphone just like I would on my desktop?

 

[SaltyDawg]

Get an SSD for your desktop, basically what your smartphone uses.

Can I play COD on my smartphone just like I would on my desktop?

Desktop apps don't run on smartphones, and smartphone apps don't run on desktops. But there are many, MANY more games on smartphone than desktop. I don't okay COD, so I'm not sure if there is a smartphone version. I would be pretty surprised if there wasn't though.

I actually have several microsd cards for all if my computers (the old ones that used to be in my phones). Very convenient, no doubt. It still doesn't compare to having a smartphone though.

EDIT: Just checked and there are several versions of Call of Duty in the Google Play store.

 

[One Brow]

Why would I care about the benchmarks? I'll race you to Jazzfanz, or any other real world task, and beat you handily. I don't care what benchmarks say, I care about actual usage.

Actual usage? Say, the usage of loading a 70,000 row spreadsheet of data containing PHI (therefore, not allowed to be sent out on the internet), and doing sorts and data selection? Or, did you mean playing?

So what? My motorhome has a lot more power than my friend's camaro, it's still nowhere near as fast.

REally? Load up your friend's Camaro with the same weight, and then see which is faster. I'd wager the motorhome. Again, paring off functionality for a smaller codeset is convenience, not actual speed.

My smartphone is much, MUCH, faster than my desktop.

Using shortcuts doesn't make you faster, even ifyou reach the destination first.

Well when is the last time you saw a laptop that could take an 8 MP picture, send a text message to a cell phone, give you GPS guided turn by turn directions, and has an 8 hour battery? Good luck finding that laptop

I'm sure it would be pricy. Probably less than yo uspend on a 2-year plan for a smart phone, but still pricy.

No it isn't. Maybe 1G, but certainly not 10.

My error. It's a 10/100 switch, and since it's much faster surfing than any hot-spot or smartphone I've seen, I figured the 10 must be for G. But it isn't.

That makes for an interesting question. I've seen all knds of mobile devices that boast 3G or 4G speed, yet the people on them simply don't surf as fast as my connections at work or home, through some cable modem, which is connected to my machine through a 10/100M cable. I have to wonder how much truth there is in the 3G/4G claim.

No, they can't, really. They can view it, but they can't install or run any of the apps.

I'b bet dollars to donuts that the main app designers use PCs to create and test these apps, so there is some sort of conversion software/emulator that allows PCs to run the apps.

In this case, convenience is speed.

You mean, like hitting free throws is a power move in baseketball. OK. I will not argue conflations like that.

I think you overstate the difficulty of leaving your phone in the car ...

It's pretty damn slow of the phone when I have to walk 20 minutes just to make a phone call or check for a text message. Obviously my phone is much faster than yours. I can send a text or make a call in seconds when I'm inside a secret facility, it takes you 20 minutes. How can you stand having a phone that slow?

Yes. There are limits on how much you can use it, but it includes voice minutes, text messages, and data. Click the link I included in that post for more info on it.

My phone already does voice, text, and data.

 

[Gameface]

Desktop apps don't run on smartphones, and smartphone apps don't run on desktops. But there are many, MANY more games on smartphone than desktop. I don't okay COD, so I'm not sure if there is a smartphone version. I would be pretty surprised if there wasn't though.

I actually have several microsd cards for all if my computers (the old ones that used to be in my phones). Very convenient, no doubt. It still doesn't compare to having a smartphone though.

EDIT: Just checked and there are several versions of Call of Duty in the Google Play store.

Using an SD card for data vs an SSD that runs your OS is an entirely different world. Upgrading to an SSD was one of those night and day upgrades, like going from dial-up to broadband.

 

[Siro]

Desktop apps don't run on smartphones, and smartphone apps don't run on desktops. But there are many, MANY more games on smartphone than desktop. I don't okay COD, so I'm not sure if there is a smartphone version. I would be pretty surprised if there wasn't though.

I actually have several microsd cards for all if my computers (the old ones that used to be in my phones). Very convenient, no doubt. It still doesn't compare to having a smartphone though.

EDIT: Just checked and there are several versions of Call of Duty in the Google Play store.

There are hardly any games on ARM architecture. Or are you talking about Angry Birds and other "killing a few minutes while I wait in line" type of applications?

Edit: Okay, so reading SaltyDawg's take on technology is like getting repeatedly stabbed in the balls. You should really listen to what One Bow and Gameface are saying.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Actual usage? Say, the usage of loading a 70,000 row spreadsheet of data containing PHI (therefore, not allowed to be sent out on the internet), and doing sorts and data selection? Or, did you mean playing?

Yes, you can do those types of spreadsheets on a smartphone. The new MS office is web based, and it comes free on the new MS smartphones (running Windows 8).

REally? Load up your friend's Camaro with the same weight, and then see which is faster. I'd wager the motorhome. Again, paring off functionality for a smaller codeset is convenience, not actual speed.

Why would I load it down with the same weight if I can do all the same things, faster, with the less weight?

Using shortcuts doesn't make you faster, even ifyou reach the destination first.

It gets me to my destination faster, which is the only important aspect of speed. If mine consistently accomplishes the same tasks as yours, in significantly less time than yours, that it's all that matters. I don't care if yours was inefficient with it but theoretically should have finished first if it was more efficient.

I'm sure it would be pricy. Probably less than yo uspend on a 2-year plan for a smart phone, but still pricy.

Pricey? Try non existent. Maybe you could have one custom made, but it doesn't exist right now. And the sad thing is there are way better cameras than that in smartphones now. Good luck finding a laptop with a 12 mp camera, GPS, 4G data, can send a text message to a cell phone, and has an 8 hour battery.

My error. It's a 10/100 switch, and since it's much faster surfing than any hot-spot or smartphone I've seen, I figured the 10 must be for G. But it isn't.

Well, I really do work in I.T. so I can explain this to you. When I saw the "10G" I thought you meant 10 gigs. The latest and greatest Ethernet is only 1 gig. Most Ethernet is exactly what you have, either 10 MB or 100 MB. Most broadband internet connections are nowhere near that fast. So your Ethernet connection is probably much faster than your actual internet connection. As for cell phone "3G" and "4G" terminology, that is "3rd generation" or "4th generation" network. Most "4G" networks average around 8 to 20 meg downloads (comparable to an average home broadband connection).

That makes for an interesting question. I've seen all knds of mobile devices that boast 3G or 4G speed, yet the people on them simply don't surf as fast as my connections at work or home, through some cable modem, which is connected to my machine through a 10/100M cable. I have to wonder how much truth there is in the 3G/4G claim.

See above for what that "G" means.

I'b bet dollars to donuts that the main app designers use PCs to create and test these apps, so there is some sort of conversion software/emulator that allows PCs to run the apps.

There is an emulator and the sdk, but it doesn't work well. I honestly don't even know if it will even run signed apps or just emulator files. Most developers connect their phone to the computer and the sdk runs the app on the phone. Either way, there is no way to download the app from the Google Play store on your pc. All you can do is tell it to "push" the app to your phone, over the air.

You mean, like hitting free throws is a power move in baseketball. OK. I will not argue conflations like that.

You lost me here. No idea what you're talking about.

It's pretty damn slow of the phone when I have to walk 20 minutes just to make a phone call or check for a text message. Obviously my phone is much faster than yours. I can send a text or make a call in seconds when I'm inside a secret facility, it takes you 20 minutes. How can you stand having a phone that slow?

Yes, if you find yourself in a situation where it took 20 minutes to accomplish a simple task, I'd say that is pretty slow. Probably still faster than going home and booting up your desktop though.

My phone already does voice, text, and data.

Yeah they pretty much all do that. But when your kid calls you and tells you he's studying with friends, does your phone do a video call so you can see the surroundings?

 

[SaltyDawg]

Using an SD card for data vs an SSD that runs your OS is an entirely different world. Upgrading to an SSD was one of those night and day upgrades, like going from dial-up to broadband.

Oh, I thought you were talking for portable storage, lol. I totally agree, SSD is much faster (quieter too). It just costs so much for less capacity.

I'm with you though, it's a major upgrade.

 

[SaltyDawg]

There are hardly any games on ARM architecture. Or are you talking about Angry Birds and other "killing a few minutes while I wait in line" type of applications?

Edit: Okay, so reading SaltyDawg's take on technology is like getting repeatedly stabbed in the balls. You should really listen to what One Bow and Gameface are saying.

Hardly any games on ARM?! Lol!

There are FAR more games on ARM than on x86.

Have you heard about what MS is doing with Xbox games on Windows RT?

 

[Siro]

Yes, you can do those types of spreadsheets on a smartphone. The new MS office is web based, and it comes free on the new MS smartphones (running Windows 8).

You can do some VERY light editing on cloud-based Office, but it's mostly for viewing and sharing. Have you ever done some serious Excel work? It is very involved and complicated using desktops. The very idea that you think you can accomplish the same on a cell phone is mind blowing.

Why would I load it down with the same weight if I can do all the same things, faster, with the less weight?

Because you can't.

It's quite simple really. A desktop is far more powerful and a capable than a smartphone. This should be VERY obvious using a bit of common sense. If smartphones were superior computers then why would a desktop, with its vast volume and virtually unlimited access to power not use the same components?

If you need a computer to do any type of serious work, no tablet or smartphone can suffice. Not even MS Surface RT, which attempts to bridge the very obvious gap in productivity between mobile devices and larger computers. Laptops do not last as long as cell phones because they are more powerful. A laptop using ARM components would last just as long if not even longer (more space for a bigger battery).

 

[Siro]

Hardly any games on ARM?! Lol!

There are FAR more games on ARM than on x86.

Have you heard about what MS is doing with Xbox games on Windows RT?

That's simply incorrect. I am talking about gaming. Not just an interactive entertainment applications. I saw a few ARM games, like Final Fantasy port than was originally on the Nintendo DS. But these are rare. The so called games you can get in the App Store or Google Play are comparable to flash games or the ones that come for free with any OS.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Yes, you can do those types of spreadsheets on a smartphone. The new MS office is web based, and it comes free on the new MS smartphones (running Windows 8).

Why would I load it down with the same weight if I can do all the same things, faster, with the less weight?

It gets me to my destination faster, which is the only important aspect of speed. If mine consistently accomplishes the same tasks as yours, in significantly less time than yours, that it's all that matters. I don't care if yours was inefficient with it but theoretically should have finished first if it was more efficient.

Pricey? Try non existent. Maybe you could have one custom made, but it doesn't exist right now. And the sad thing is there are way better cameras than that in smartphones now. Good luck finding a laptop with a 12 mp camera, GPS, 4G data, can send a text message to a cell phone, and has an 8 hour battery.

Well, I really do work in I.T. so I can explain this to you. When I saw the "10G" I thought you meant 10 gigs. The latest and greatest Ethernet is only 1 gig. Most Ethernet is exactly what you have, either 10 MB or 100 MB. Most broadband internet connections are nowhere near that fast. So your Ethernet connection is probably much faster than your actual internet connection. As for cell phone "3G" and "4G" terminology, that is "3rd generation" or "4th generation" network. Most "4G" networks average around 8 to 20 meg downloads (comparable to an average home broadband connection).

See above for what that "G" means.

There is an emulator and the sdk, but it doesn't work well. I honestly don't even know if it will even run signed apps or just emulator files. Most developers connect their phone to the computer and the sdk runs the app on the phone. Either way, there is no way to download the app from the Google Play store on your pc. All you can do is tell it to "push" the app to your phone, over the air.

You lost me here. No idea what you're talking about.

Yes, if you find yourself in a situation where it took 20 minutes to accomplish a simple task, I'd say that is pretty slow. Probably still faster than going home and booting up your desktop though.

Yeah they pretty much all do that. But when your kid calls you and tells you he's studying with friends, does your phone do a video call so you can see the surroundings?

Holy crap, my favorite post evar, and I didn't even read it. Would rep if I wasn't out.

**dang, my quote of it doesn't do it justice. Have to read the original.

 

[SaltyDawg]

You can do some VERY light editing on cloud-based Office, but it's mostly for viewing and sharing. Have you ever done some serious Excel work? It is very involved and complicated using desktops. The very idea that you think you can accomplish the same on a cell phone is mind blowing.



Because you can't.

It's quite simple really. A desktop is far more powerful and a capable than a smartphone. This should be VERY obvious using a bit of common sense. If smartphones were superior computers then why would a desktop, with its vast volume and virtually unlimited access to power not use the same components?

If you need a computer to do any type of serious work, no tablet or smartphone can suffice. Not even MS Surface RT, which attempts to bridge the very obvious gap in productivity between mobile devices and larger computers. Laptops do not last as long as cell phones because they are more powerful. A laptop using ARM components would last just as long if not even longer (more space for a bigger battery).

You're giving me hypotheticals here.

As I have said, I'm well aware that a desktop computer specs higher than a cell phone.

I'm also well aware that I can pull out my cell phone, open chrome, and get to whatever website I want a heck of a lot faster than you can boot up your desktop and get to the same website.

And all the reviews I have seen said the Surface RT ran Excel just as good as the Surface Pro (desktop Windows 8) with the only difference being you could do more multitasking on the pro, and run legacy Windows apps.

 

[Siro]

You're giving me hypotheticals here.

As I have said, I'm well aware that a desktop computer specs higher than a cell phone.

I'm also well aware that I can pull out my cell phone, open chrome, and get to whatever website I want a heck of a lot faster than you can boot up your desktop and get to the same website.

And all the reviews I have seen said the Surface RT ran Excel just as good as the Surface Pro (desktop Windows 8) with the only difference being you could do more multitasking on the pro, and run legacy Windows apps.

The Surface Pro comes out in a few months. Thus, nobody knows anything about its performance. The Surface RT Office is great, but the tablet itself is incapable of serious Office work as it is too slow and weak. A friend of mine who reviews hardware for a living invited me to play around with the Surface RT, and it was really cool. It felt sturdy, and the software is really pretty. But the app store was virtually empty, and the performance sucked on anything but the basic tablet tasks you'd expect. I tried to play a flash video in IE 10, and I gave up after 6 minutes of stuttering and freezing. It took 8 full seconds for the Kindle App to load. You expect me to compile databases or do regression analyses on that? Come on.

I'm a big fan of technology, and I believe mobile is the future, for sure. But currently, anyone with serious computing needs simply cannot give up having access to a real PC.