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My thoughts on The Jazz first 3 games FWIW

Another interesting thing we are a top 3 team in the first half and the worst team in the second half based on point differential. Just something weird. Likely mostly because of the second quarter against GS and the awful game yesterday.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Another interesting thing we are a top 3 team in the first half and the worst team in the second half based on point differential. Just something weird. Likely mostly because of the second quarter against GS and the awful game yesterday.
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We were -14 against GS in second half. That's probably why. Don't think point differential in last night's second half was as big.
 
Alfalfa said:
We were -14 against GS in second half. That's probably why. Don't think point differential in last night's second half was as big.
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We are -9 on average and +8 in the first half... a big swing like the GS game obviously moves things.
 
Alfalfa said:
We were -14 against GS in second half. That's probably why. Don't think point differential in last night's second half was as big.
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So -14 in GS, -7 in Sacramento, and -7 last night.

I have no explanation... just thought it was weird.
 
I only got to see the Memphis game. But, they looked out of sorts and it seemed like Snyder decided to use the game to send a message.

Lets see if the message was received for the Houston game before making any other changes. If they still play like crap, by all means shake things up.

If I was mixing things up I'd try.

PG - Mitchell
SG - Exum
SF - Ingles
PF - Crowder
C - Gobert

Let Rubio and Favors come in off the bench and play vs. backups.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
I only got to see the Memphis game. But, they looked out of sorts and it seemed like Snyder decided to use the game to send a message.

Lets see if the message was received for the Houston game before making any other changes. If they still play like crap, by all means shake things up.

If I was mixing things up I'd try.

PG - Mitchell
SG - Exum
SF - Ingles
PF - Crowder
C - Gobert

Let Rubio and Favors come in off the bench and play vs. backups.
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Too early to do that imo... both vets in a contract year... can't yank them around. It is a marathon not a 100-yd dash.
 
Tomorrow's game is big now imo.... DM struggled against Houston last year. They are without CP3, Ariza (no longer there), Luc Mbah Moute, and I saw a report that Ennis is out, Nene is out, and maybe Chriss (although I prefer if they had to play him cuz he sucks). They have struggled out of the gate so get one now while they are limping.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
mentioned in the other post I'm concerned, but wanted to continue on a little soapbox... what is the upside of that lineup? They are really good defensively, but couldn't Favs or Ricky be replaced with better shooters and there would be a huge uptick in offense while the defense stays very similar. I think Favs and Ricky are plus defenders, but how much are they truly adding (I genuinely am not sure)?

Like what is the big benefit to duct taping this lineup together to make it work. I've thought a little bit about what Kevin Love would look like in our offense. He can't create, but can post, shoot, pass, and offensive rebound. The defense is bad... but in the playoffs if him and Gobert share the floor and they try and get Kevin on the switch then Gobert can still hang out around the basket.

I just worry teams have figured out to drop the big against us and if we aren't 40% plus from 3 we have a good chance of losing. I think we ride Ricky and Favs as starters until it is absolutely, positively proven it sucks... and I support it. Both guys are in contract years and a knee jerk move to the bench could lose them. I think we need to gradually pull one or the other earlier if it continues to suck.
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So I mostly agree with you, but I don’t think it’s too early to just move Favors to the (first-big-off-the) bench. Clogging the lane isn’t doing anyone favors (heh), including himself.

Rubio deserves a longer leash because I really don’t think anyone else is ready to start at the 1. In such an event, I think you make Donovan the 1 and start another wing.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So I mostly agree with you, but I don’t think it’s too early to just move Favors to the (first-big-off-the) bench. Clogging the lane isn’t doing anyone favors (heh), including himself.

Rubio deserves a longer leash because I really don’t think anyone else is ready to start at the 1. In such an event, I think you make Donovan the 1 and start another wing.
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Maybe we sit Favs out a couple games for his knee and just see what happens. If we decide he is just a backup I think at that point we need to find a trade partner. I think we could find another good center to provide Rudy insurance. Agree on Ricky... Dante has been good and bad and we all know he's had trouble staying on the court. We need to proceed with caution there.

DM has just had a rough start (like really really bad). Just looked at the numbers and his shooting is the biggest issue... may be a result of clogged lanes. His 3pt shooting, FT shooting, are all down and that isn't all on spacing. If he was anywhere near to last year's average we are 3-0.

Road trip will be a good test. If Ricky, DM, and Dante all continue to struggle with shooting then we adjust something. They can't all be this bad for long... right?

I think we mingle more Allen and Niang and see what happens too. Allen had some drives to nowhere but he beat his man because of hard close outs and might be a guy to help us get the blender started as well as provide spacing.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Maybe we sit Favs out a couple games for his knee and just see what happens. If we decide he is just a backup I think at that point we need to find a trade partner. I think we could find another good center to provide Rudy insurance. Agree on Ricky... Dante has been good and bad and we all know he's had trouble staying on the court. We need to proceed with caution there.

DM has just had a rough start (like really really bad). Just looked at the numbers and his shooting is the biggest issue... may be a result of clogged lanes. His 3pt shooting, FT shooting, are all down and that isn't all on spacing. If he was anywhere near to last year's average we are 3-0.

Road trip will be a good test. If Ricky, DM, and Dante all continue to struggle with shooting then we adjust something. They can't all be this bad for long... right?

I think we mingle more Allen and Niang and see what happens too. Allen had some drives to nowhere but he beat his man because of hard close outs and might be a guy to help us get the blender started as well as provide spacing.
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What I would say about DM are things I’ve already mentioned to some degree, but they are compounding each other:

1 - Donovan isn’t a dead-eye shooter. He has decent touch and great form, but he has to be feeling it. If he can’t get to the rim because it’s a wall, then getting him going gets really difficult. If he can’t hit shots, the defense can really pack it in.

2 - He just isn’t moving like he was last year. He just isn’t. He’s either hiding an injury or he hasn’t psychologically moved past one that’s healed. People like to laugh about the conspiracy theory of his foot still being an issue but he was in a boot for, what, close to 3 months? And he wasn’t cleared for 5-on-5 until a couple of weeks before camp? That’s a serious injury.

Add these things together and of course he’s going to play, carry himself, and produce differently.

And yeah, if Favors is injured at all, he shouldn’t play.
 
Favors definitely isn't the long term answer as the starting 4. Imagine how good Middlleton, Mirotic, or Tobias Harris would look in our offense, and I think they're all free agents at the end of the season. Otto Porter would also be a dream fit if the Wizards were willing to trade him.
 
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