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Awesome news, and I guess it does improve the chances for finding microbial life on Mars. But since we only have a sample of 1 (Earth), it is impossible to know the odds of finding it anywhere else. If I was a betting man, I would bet we won't find any in the solar system.

In addition to Mars there is thought that some of the Jupiter moons (Titan and Europa specifically) might have water under the surface.

We may find microbial life in our solar system but nothing more than that I'd think. But if water is on that many planets/moons in our solar system than NASA would need to rework their mathematical guesses to account for that.
 
In the press conference they are talking in detail about a manned mission to mars in the "near future." They've been talking about growing crops, using plants to create breathable air, collecting drinkable water, etc.
 
In the press conference they are talking in detail about a manned mission to mars in the "near future." They've been talking about growing crops, using plants to create breathable air, collecting drinkable water, etc.

Wonder if we will see permanent colonies on the Moon and Mars in our lifetime.
 
Wonder if we will see permanent colonies on the Moon and Mars in our lifetime.
I don't think the moon is even under consideration (no water plus other factors) but it sounds like Mars is very likely. The manned missions they are talking about are one way trips.
 
In addition to Mars there is thought that some of the Jupiter moons (Titan and Europa specifically) might have water under the surface.

We may find microbial life in our solar system but nothing more than that I'd think. But if water is on that many planets/moons in our solar system than NASA would need to rework their mathematical guesses to account for that.

I'm less optimistic about Europa and other Jovian moons harboring life than I am Mars. A dark frigid ocean where the main source of energy is gravitational tide from Jupiter, or maybe residual energy at the bottom of the ocean, hundreds of miles down? The thermodynamics are just too much of a stretch. Titan has an intriguing atmosphere, and would have been a prime candidate had it been, say, in Mars' orbit. But at the distance of Saturn? Forget about it. Simply not enough energy for kinematics of life. I don't see any plausible path for complex chemistry on Titan.

And we have no actual mathematical prediction for the existence of life outside of Earth. The problem is not only that Earth is our only sample, but that even on Earth, life evolved only ONCE. We all come from the same microbial ancestor. Things like Drake's equation are fun thought experiments, but they are utterly meaningless since most of the terms are made up.

My gut feeling is that simple life is probably fairly common in the galaxy, but I'm not counting on solar system discoveries. Our best bet is finding microbial fossils on Mars from back when it was warmer. That would vastly improve the chances that the universe is teaming with life. But even if we don't, it doesn't really tell us much.
 
I don't think the moon is even under consideration (no water plus other factors) but it sounds like Mars is very likely. The manned missions they are talking about are one way trips.

Just out of curiosity, what would be the benefit of a Mars colony? I appreciate the symbolic importance, but I would much rather money is spent on more worthwhile projects, like asteroid mining.
 
Just out of curiosity, what would be the benefit of a Mars colony? I appreciate the symbolic importance, but I would much rather money is spent on more worthwhile projects, like asteroid mining.
In the long term the survivability of the human species is dependent upon establishing non-earth colonies, eventually even outside of our solar system. The overriding motivator for me, though, is the challenge and how I believe the majority of the world would coalesce behind such an epic endeavor.
 
Just out of curiosity, what would be the benefit of a Mars colony? I appreciate the symbolic importance, but I would much rather money is spent on more worthwhile projects, like asteroid mining.

Well what minerals does it hold? It could be possibly a gold mine. But to me the biggest benefit of Mars is all the tech advances getting there and staying there will require. Getting to, and staying on Mars, prepares humanity for the next step and beyond.
 
Well what minerals does it hold? It could be possibly a gold mine. But to me the biggest benefit of Mars is all the tech advances getting there and staying there will require. Getting to, and staying on Mars, prepares humanity for the next step and beyond.
And think of the reality TV shows. This would be a ratings bonanza!
 
In the long term the survivability of the human species is dependent upon establishing non-earth colonies, eventually even outside of our solar system. The overriding motivator for me, though, is the challenge and how I believe the majority of the world would coalesce behind such an epic endeavor.

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. Mars, however, will play ZERO role in humanity's long-term survival. The effort required to make it livable is unthinkable, even with futuristic technologies like molecular replicators (which won't be available for at least a century). And even then, it is a **** life. Mars has one problem that cannot be fixed; low gravity. Humans cannot survive long term in that environment, let alone have and raise children. I've read some attempts to remedy that in serious sci-fi, but it involves re-engineering the human race. Which would mean Mars colonists would no longer be compatible with Earth!

Mars terraforming is a silly fantasy when vastly superior options exist. Namely, spinning orbitals. You send out robots to mine asteroids, bring back the material to Earth orbit, and construct a spinning ring around the planet (and eventually farther out in space). That way, you'll have as much area as you want. You can even build it large enough to fit a trillion humans if needed. It would have the same gravity as earth. It will be built with the same atmosphere. Natural environments can be designed to provide spacious rural areas with all of Earth's ecosystems. And all of that would be easier than actually making Mars barely livable!

A hundred billion dollars spent on automated asteroid mining would be a history-changing endeavor. A Mars colony would be pretty cool and inspirational, or something.
 
Well what minerals does it hold? It could be possibly a gold mine. But to me the biggest benefit of Mars is all the tech advances getting there and staying there will require. Getting to, and staying on Mars, prepares humanity for the next step and beyond.

Every element and compound found on Earth can be found in space in infinite quantities (with the exception of complex organics). For the rest, read above.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. Mars, however, will play ZERO role in humanity's long-term survival. The effort required to make it livable is unthinkable, even with futuristic technologies like molecular replicators (which won't be available for at least a century). And even then, it is a **** life. Mars has one problem that cannot be fixed; low gravity. Humans cannot survive long term in that environment, let alone have and raise children. I've read some attempts to remedy that in serious sci-fi, but it involves re-engineering the human race. Which would mean Mars colonists would no longer be compatible with Earth!

Mars terraforming is a silly fantasy when vastly superior options exist. Namely, spinning orbitals. You send out robots to mine asteroids, bring back the material to Earth orbit, and construct a spinning ring around the planet (and eventually farther out in space). That way, you'll have as much area as you want. You can even build it large enough to fit a trillion humans if needed. It would have the same gravity as earth. It will be built with the same atmosphere. Natural environments can be designed to provide spacious rural areas with all of Earth's ecosystems. And all of that would be easier than actually making Mars barely livable!

A hundred billion dollars spent on automated asteroid mining would be a history-changing endeavor. A Mars colony would be pretty cool and inspirational, or something.
Hmm. Sounds dope. Sign me up.
 
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