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Is ANYONE in favor of either of these? Is anyone worried about the kind of country we are becoming yet, because now would be a pretty good time to get upset if you weren't already.
 
I saw a poll that had a 97% disapproval rating for NDAA..... Why do we elect these people? They obviously don't look out for our best interests or even listen to their constituents.
 
And the internet comes to a grinding halt.




I am pretty sure Apple will find a way to patent SOPA and make everyone who claims infringement pay a royalty. Certainly the euro courts will get behind them.
 
cowhide said:
What are these groups?
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NDAA is the National Defense Authorization Act which was passed yesterday and only needs the POTUS signature to become law. It has a provision which allows indefinite detention of US citizens without trial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act


SOPA is the Stop Online Piracy Act which is intended to stop online piracy, but this also ignore due process. If ESPN claimed that JazzFanz had stolen material, the entire site could be shut down without any oversite or review. You could still navigate to the site by typing the IP address, so this would stop the casual user from accessing the site, but anyone that actually wanted to access the site could still get there.

A better example would be Youtube. If a pirate posts an infringing video, youtube would take the video down immediately because if they didn't, the entire Youtube site would be shut down. If WeirdAl sang a parody song that was completely legal, but the original artist's label was upset by it they could claim infringement. It would be in Youtube's best interest to remove the video immediately which they pretty much already do, but in theory Youtube in its entirety could still be shut down.

The best analogy I heard was during the House's discussion by a Rep. from Colorado of the bill today which paraphrased was something like:
"Take for example a crackhouse. The appropriate thing would be to take direct action and shut down the crackhouse. Instead this bill would be akin to changing the street signs hoping to make the crackhouse harder to find while making all the houses in the neighborhood harder to find as well."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
 
This years NDAA is horrible, from what I've read. The SOPA seems to be good to me. I'm not down w/ piracy, even though I'm guilty of doing it from time to time.
 
TroutBum said:
This years NDAA is horrible, from what I've read. The SOPA seems to be good to me. I'm not down w/ piracy, even though I'm guilty of doing it from time to time.
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I'm not down with piracy either although there are studies that show it may lead to increased sales although that is an ENTIRELY separate discussion, but the provisions in the bill wouldn't stop most pirates, and would open the internet up to censorship. That's the problem is it hurts very few bad guys and a lot the good ones. The discussion is about the fact that this wouldn't stop piracy at all, and are some mostly well intentioned, misinformed congressmen about to make a terrible decision.
 
SOPA

These are people who would have trouble setting up a wireless network in their homes, and they're voting on a bill that contains complex language with regards to things like DNS? The same people who voted pizza as a vegetable.
Actual quote from SOPA debate today: Rep. Watt: "I'm no expert the on the Internet, but I disagree with all the experts."

This country ****ing sucks *** hole now.
 
Agoxlea said:
I'm not down with piracy either although there are studies that show it may lead to increased sales although that is an ENTIRELY separate discussion, but the provisions in the bill wouldn't stop most pirates, and would open the internet up to censorship. That's the problem is it hurts very few bad guys and a lot the good ones. The discussion is about the fact that this wouldn't stop piracy at all, and are some mostly well intentioned, misinformed congressmen about to make a terrible decision.
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I guess I don't read it the same way you do, or know about the facts as well as you do. (don't care enough to read them either) If I were voting on it, I suppose I'd want to know the facts. Since it doesn't matter, I guess it doesn't matter. Thank goodness for bittorrent for now. (strictly for audio books, because my library sucks wang at getting the books I want)

Chad Feldheimer said:
SOPA

These are people who would have trouble setting up a wireless network in their homes, and they're voting on a bill that contains complex language with regards to things like DNS? The same people who voted pizza as a vegetable.
Actual quote from SOPA debate today: Rep. Watt: "I'm no expert the on the Internet, but I disagree with all the experts."

This country ****ing sucks *** hole now.
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Q for FT.
 
These are some of the tech industry people opposed to SOPA
Marc Andreessen, co-founder of Netscape and Andreessen Horowitz
Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google
Jack Dorsey, co-founder of Twitter and Square
Caterina Fake, co-founder of Flickr and Hunch
David Filo, co-founder of Yahoo!
Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn
Arianna Huffington, co-founder of The Huffington Post
Chad Hurley, co-founder of YouTube
Brewster Kahle, founder of the Internet Archive and co-founder of Alexa Internet
Elon Musk, co-founder of PayPal
Craig Newmark, founder of craigslist
Pierre Omidyar, founder of eBay
Biz Stone, co-founder of Obvious and Twitter
Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation
Evan Williams, co-founder of Blogger and Twitter
Jerry Yang, co-founder of Yahoo!
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Nothing piratey about them, they just actually understand the implications of the bill.

You can sign their petition at
https://act.boldprogressives.org/survey/survey_sopa_reddit/?source=reddit
 
The security and data transmission integrity issues are enough to make SOPA a fail from the get-go. The far-reaching implications are scary.
 
Agoxlea said:
Is ANYONE in favor of either of these? Is anyone worried about the kind of country we are becoming yet, because now would be a pretty good time to get upset if you weren't already.
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This country is rapidly becoming the "police state" that everyone used to kind of fear but think it was way too far fetched to worry too much about.

You can throw CarrierIQ into that post, and the fact that the FBI denied a FOIA request regarding it the other day, on the grounds that it would hinder some of their ongoing investigations.

So we're at a point in time now where the government can use CarrierIQ to track you and everyone you know down (see links #1 and 2), detain you indefinitely without regards to your constitutional rights, and if anyone tries to post about it online they'll just shut the whole website down (see link #3- what happened to the sites that were sharing the Wikileaks info).

#1: https://youtu.be/T17XQI_AYNo
#2: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mobiledia/2011/12/14/fbi-may-use-carrier-iq-to-track-suspects/
#3: https://mashable.com/2010/11/27/homeland-security-website-seized/

What the heck is going on in this country? This is supposed to be the land of the free? I have news for you (maybe not news, but let me state the obvious) the "terrorists" that the government is gearing up to fight are us. It is the law abiding, taxpaying citizens of this country. They know at some point everyone will say enough is enough, and that is the next big fight this country will face.

Scary times are ahead. Heck, we are already in the scary times, just most people haven't realized what is happening yet.

Animal Farm...
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Corporations own this country. We got Google, Yahoo, Facebook, and Twitter trying to stop this Bill. They don't need my help.
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The thing is these companies aren't the ones that would be most affected but under this law they could have most likely never come to be. I think the problem with big business is directly related to our horrible campaign finance laws. You are just being overzealous with your hated of big business if you agree with this bill. Oh and by the way comcast and time Warner are two companies in favor of the bill so you have to pick one side to support either way
 
SaltyDawg said:
This country is rapidly becoming the "police state" that everyone used to kind of fear but think it was way too far fetched to worry too much about.

You can throw CarrierIQ into that post, and the fact that the FBI denied a FOIA request regarding it the other day, on the grounds that it would hinder some of their ongoing investigations.

So we're at a point in time now where the government can use CarrierIQ to track you and everyone you know down (see links #1 and 2), detain you indefinitely without regards to your constitutional rights, and if anyone tries to post about it online they'll just shut the whole website down (see link #3- what happened to the sites that were sharing the Wikileaks info).

#1: https://youtu.be/T17XQI_AYNo
#2: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mobiledia/2011/12/14/fbi-may-use-carrier-iq-to-track-suspects/
#3: https://mashable.com/2010/11/27/homeland-security-website-seized/

What the heck is going on in this country? This is supposed to be the land of the free? I have news for you (maybe not news, but let me state the obvious) the "terrorists" that the government is gearing up to fight are us. It is the law abiding, taxpaying citizens of this country. They know at some point everyone will say enough is enough, and that is the next big fight this country will face.

Scary times are ahead. Heck, we are already in the scary times, just most people haven't realized what is happening yet.

Animal Farm...
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Sounds like you think we're headed for some sort of civil war... Craziness.
 
Agoxlea said:
Is ANYONE in favor of either of these? Is anyone worried about the kind of country we are becoming yet, because now would be a pretty good time to get upset if you weren't already.
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you mean hypocritcal country blame china for their censored internet or hate on iran for their "halal internet"

yet let private companiestake down stuff without due proces.
for example mega upload owns the right to some video music yet some record companies take it down without proving that they own the right.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...e-right-to-block-or-remove-youtube-videos.ars

tought america was oinnocent until rpoven guilty. then tell me how this **** is possible.

sopa, ndaa, acta, patriat act et al all those stupid stuff sucks. and the people who come up with this stuff should be send to an island. let them rule eachother their let the people be free

edit: note that this isnt my view of ameirca. but most of the western world. so this is not some foreigner hating on the usa.
jsut hating all the politicians everywhere who come up with stupid ****
 
Agoxlea said:
I'm not down with piracy either although there are studies that show it may lead to increased sales although that is an ENTIRELY separate discussion, but the provisions in the bill wouldn't stop most pirates, and would open the internet up to censorship. That's the problem is it hurts very few bad guys and a lot the good ones. The discussion is about the fact that this wouldn't stop piracy at all, and are some mostly well intentioned, misinformed congressmen about to make a terrible decision.
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They can't stop child porn on the internet, and that is something that's totally illegal, reviled, and has a huge percentage of popular support to stop. Yet these guys think they can stop piracy of music and stuff that there's a much larger demand for and for an action many people don't consider to be a big deal. An interesting drawback of them stiffening up piracy laws is that the pedos can use the same techniques the other pirates will come up with to pirate their music/movies/etc. better and use it for child porn, since the principle of disguising a file remains the same.
 
DutchJazzer said:
you mean hypocritcal country blame china for their censored internet or hate on iran for their "halal internet"
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As bad as these stupid laws are, we are still much more morally superior to god awful civil liberty cess pools like China and Iran.
 
Nate505 said:
They can't stop child porn on the internet, and that is something that's totally illegal, reviled, and has a huge percentage of popular support to stop. Yet these guys think they can stop piracy of music and stuff that there's a much larger demand for and for an action many people don't consider to be a big deal. An interesting drawback of them stiffening up piracy laws is that the pedos can use the same techniques the other pirates will come up with to pirate their music/movies/etc. better and use it for child porn, since the principle of disguising a file remains the same.
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Remember, money is more important than morality. Where there is a dollar, there is a way. Even if that way is completely unconstitutional.

If you could find a way for someone to make money by stopping child porn, or convince someone that every child porn exchange on the web might potentially be stealing a millionth of a penny from them, then they would find a way to stop it.
 
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