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[fishonjazz]

I don't really find McNamara to be a villain or evil. Well no more so than a lot of people of his time, you look at his life, Harvard, WW II Bomber Command, Ford Motor Company, Secretary of Defence, the World Bank. I look at his life as a life of service, service to a country that I think he deeply loves, you know he was a cold war warrior. And i think good men can do bad things in those circumstances, Trump does evil **** to enrich himself, McNamara made mistakes and was an architect of the Vietnam War but his motives were not remotely for personal gain.

That's my thinking on him.

You make good points.
I don't think he was evil. I do think he's was an arrogant douchebag tho

I did see at the end that he is doing philanthropic charitable work at the end of his days.

 

[Rubashov]

You make good points.
I don't think he was evil. I do think he's was an arrogant douchebag tho

I did see at the end that he is doing philanthropic charitable work at the end of his days.

Definitely arrogant, I would find it interesting if a man of his accomplishments didn't have a degree of arrogance about him.

 

[fishonjazz]

Definitely arrogant, I would find it interesting if a man of his accomplishments didn't have a degree of arrogance about him.

Ya he was kind of too smart for his own good.
I just saw the camera man give him plenty of chances to be contrite and apologetic or to show some guilt for his part in the Vietnam debacle. He never took the opportunity.
Anytime he was asked about his responsibility for what happened in Vietnam he just deflected to blaming the president.

Would have liked to see him feel a little guilty. Plus that movie tried to paint him in a better light than what actually happened.

The Vietnam War documentary had way more audio and video showing McNamara's culpability for many of the bad and wrong decisions made regarding the Vietnam war. He would be on audio saying one thing and then lie about it in interviews. I'm guessing he had some of the creative control or whatever for the fog of war movie and had some say in what made it into the film. Not so with the documentary series.

 

[Rubashov]

Ya he was kind of too smart for his own good.
I just saw the camera man give him plenty of chances to be contrite and apologetic or to show some guilt for his part in the Vietnam debacle. He never took the opportunity.
Anytime he was asked about his responsibility for what happened in Vietnam he just deflected to blaming the president.

Would have liked to see him feel a little guilty. Plus that movie tried to paint him in a better light than what actually happened.

The Vietnam War documentary had way more audio and video showing McNamara's culpability for many of the bad and wrong decisions made regarding the Vietnam war. He would be on audio saying one thing and then lie about it in interviews. I'm guessing he had some of the creative control or whatever for the fog of war movie and had some say in what made it into the film. Not so with the documentary series.

He was dead when Burns made the Vietnam War doco, I definitely think he had regrets but I think there is a little bit of the Curtis Lemay in there as well. I think McNamara would say at some level conflict with the Soviets was an inevitable part of great power politics.