Nets lock down stadium

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Kyrie Irving is willing to go to the edge of the earth to avoid getting a vaccine. I hope he falls off.

 

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... and because breakthrough infections are a thing he's not at any higher risk to cause an outbreak than anyone else on the team.

What a spectacular example of how binary reasoning leads to bad decisions. Being vaccinated means Irving is has far less than half the chance of getting an infection in the first place, vastly reducing the likelihood he would cause an outbreak.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just for fun, let's say I'm correct. You are the owner of the Nets. You have a crystal ball that lets you see that without Kyrie Irving the Nets will finish .500 and out of the playoffs but with Kyrie Irving they finish as the #2 seed.

The vaccine requirement is not in Kyrie Irving's contract. He's agreed to be tested every 3 days, he's young, extremely cardiovascularly healthy, and you know Regeneron is highly effective when you catch infections early. Given his health, the level of medical care available to him, and because breakthrough infections are a thing he's not at any higher risk to cause an outbreak than anyone else on the team. This is a power move, to force Kyrie Irving to accept a condition not in his contract simply as an outward show that you are on "team vaccinate".

As the owner of the Nets with your crystal ball, do you voluntarily cause your team to miss the playoffs to virtue signal?

Oh what would i do? If i was the ownwer I wouldn’t make any of my players get vaccinated.

If i played for a team or worked for a company that required me to get vaccinated then i would get vaccinated.


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Oh what would i do? If i was the ownwer I wouldn’t make any of my players get vaccinated.

Just so that I'm clear in your two statements, you are saying that if you ran the Nets and the NBA, you would not be imposing any vaccine mandates.

If i played for a team or worked for a company that required me to get vaccinated then i would get vaccinated.

If you were an employee at a company that issued a vaccine requirement and provide proof of vaccination, you would do so. Would it matter if the employer was a union shop, you did have a collective bargaining agreement in force that did not include any provision for disclosing your medical history, and the employer unilaterally changed the deal without any agreement from the union?

 

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What a spectacular example of how binary reasoning leads to bad decisions. Being vaccinated means Irving is has far less than half the chance of getting an infection in the first place, vastly reducing the likelihood he would cause an outbreak.

Boring. It is easy to duck a question through some silly little nit pick. It is more work but far more interesting to discuss how much making an empty virtue signal is worth.

The same crystal ball that tells you that you'll miss the playoffs also tells you that Kyrie Irving won't cause an outbreak. You can't let anyone else see the crystal ball or even admit that you have it. Do you willingly do that much damage to your organization to virtue signal how pro-vaccine you are?

 

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Boring. It is easy to duck a question through some silly little nit pick. It is more work but far more interesting to discuss how much making an empty virtue signal is worth.

The same crystal ball that tells you that you'll miss the playoffs also tells you that Kyrie Irving won't cause an outbreak. You can't let anyone else see the crystal ball or even admit that you have it. Do you willingly do that much damage to your organization to virtue signal how pro-vaccine you are?

I have no idea. I'm fiercely pro-vaccine (and I'll let my record speak for that), so I have no idea what decision I would make, but it's not as obvious as it seems to be for you.

 

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I have no idea. I'm fiercely pro-vaccine (and I'll let my record speak for that), so I have no idea what decision I would make, but it's not as obvious as it seems to be for you.

What if it were the Jazz who at mid-season had the best record in the NBA and decided to signal their support for equal rights, swapped out the entire team for WNBA players, lost every game for the rest of the season while playing awful, almost unwatchable basketball, and missed the playoffs while the press fawned over how brave the Jazz were as an organization to send that kind of message. The Jazz showed in the first half of the season that they had all the pieces in place, and they tossed it in the trashcan to virtue signal. As a Jazz fan, how would that sit with you?

 

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What if it were the Jazz who at mid-season had the best record in the NBA and decided to signal their support for equal rights, swapped out the entire team for WNBA players, lost every game for the rest of the season while playing awful, almost unwatchable basketball, and missed the playoffs while the press fawned over how brave the Jazz were as an organization to send that kind of message. The Jazz showed in the first half of the season that they had all the pieces in place, and they tossed it in the trashcan to virtue signal. As a Jazz fan, how would that sit with you?

Well, since we are discussing concrete actions being taken, and at a considerable loss, it's not virtue signaling. It's actual virtuous behavior, however misguided.

Secondly, I have no idea how I would react, because that scenario is so weird that I have no prior experience. Are you claiming you would know for a fact what your reaction would be?

 

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Are you claiming you would know for a fact what your reaction would be?

Oh yes. No doubt. I'd think it was the stupidest thing they could have done. Not only did it ruin a season they'll never get back, but it also did the exact opposite for the cause they were allegedly trying to help. Any time anyone says" gender is a social construct" or "men and women are equal", all anyone would have to respond is "sure, just ask the 2022 Jazz". People would make endless numbers of YouTube videos of WNBA players getting torched by end-of-the-bench NBA players. I do not think even the world champion WNBA team in a given season could beat an elite high school boys basketball team like IMG or Montverde. If the Jazz did that, not only would they lose badly to any NBA team, but I'd put money on the WNBA Jazz being blown out by Wasatch Academy.

I'd love it if some NBA team did that, but there is no doubt how I'd feel about the Jazz making a joke of themselves.

 

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I'd love it if some NBA team did that, ...

There are so many layers of misconceptions, false statements, self-defeating presumptions,, and hate-fueled jingo behind that post that I refuse to clutter up the message board and air it all out. If you really do not understand why, and want to have me explain why, you can PM me and I will do so privately. Otherwise, kindly take all that hate and repression and squeeze it up your bung hole.

 

[gandalfe]

Just for fun, let's say I'm correct. You are the owner of the Nets. You have a crystal ball that lets you see that without Kyrie Irving the Nets will finish .500 and out of the playoffs but with Kyrie Irving they finish as the #2 seed.

The vaccine requirement is not in Kyrie Irving's contract. He's agreed to be tested every 3 days, he's young, extremely cardiovascularly healthy, and you know Regeneron is highly effective when you catch infections early. Given his health, the level of medical care available to him, and because breakthrough infections are a thing he's not at any higher risk to cause an outbreak than anyone else on the team. This is a power move, to force Kyrie Irving to accept a condition not in his contract simply as an outward show that you are on "team vaccinate".

As the owner of the Nets with your crystal ball, do you voluntarily cause your team to miss the playoffs to virtue signal?

So, what you're saying is that the owner of the Nets should allow Kyrie, who has repeatedly shown he'll take time off whenever he feels like it, to be guaranteed over half the year off, but not the rest of the team?

The owner of the Nets does not determine what the policies of the city are - especially not a city like New York. The 43 games off are non-negotiable. The question is do you allow him to mess with your chemistry for the other 39 games?

 

[gandalfe]

Would it matter if the employer was a union shop, you did have a collective bargaining agreement in force that did not include any provision for disclosing your medical history, and the employer unilaterally changed the deal without any agreement from the union?

So, should the employer violate city ordinances? Because of the union contract?