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Please provide current examples.

When You Add More Police To A City, What Happens?

A new study looks at the effects of growing police forces on racial inequality.

www.npr.org

The case for hiring more police officers

A crime-fighting idea that actually works, and new exclusive polling shows it’s popular across all racial groups.

www.vox.com

Hire More Cops

The death of George Floyd while in the custody of Minneapolis police has ignited calls to defund police forces across the country. While reforms targeted at punishing and removing bad cops, such as elimination of qualified immunity in civil cases and weakening of police union protections, may be...

www.city-journal.org

https://www.princeton.edu/~smello/papers/cops.pdf

Why should I, when you already have? Did you read past the headlines of your own articles?
From the NPR piece:

More Police May Leave Some Cities Worse Off
The economists also find troubling evidence that suggests cities with the largest populations of Black people — like many of those in the South and Midwest — don't see the same policing benefits as the average cities in their study. Adding additional police officers in these cities doesn't seem to lower the homicide rate. Meanwhile, more police officers in these cities seems to result in even more arrests of Black people for low-level crimes. The authors believe it supports a narrative that "Black communities are simultaneously over and under-policed." The economists don't have a solid explanation for why bigger police forces appear to lead to worse outcomes in these cities, and they plan to investigate these findings more deeply in future research.

The Vox piece is based on the Mello paper, which looks at cities above a threshold for aid and compares them to cities below the threshold for aid, vastly different groups. I didn't read too far into City Journal, as an publication that gives time to Christopher Rufo is not worth reading.

Still, since you asked:

Killings spiked in the US and Republicans blame calls to ‘defund the police.’ But they are also rising in cities that increased spending on cops.

“SKYROCKETING MURDER RATES,” claimed the National Fraternal Order of Police. “An explosion of violent crime,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. “Democrat-ru…

www.chicagotribune.com

This lists Houston, Nashville, Tulsa, and Fresno as examples. Also, they had one other point:

Meanwhile, other types of crime are down, according to preliminary statistics and researchers who say crime initially dropped around the world after the pandemic began. While cities are reporting jumps in their homicide rate, there’s been no similar increase in other crimes, like burglaries, robberies or drug offenses.

That’s not what you’d expect if calls to defund the police were leading to a rash of crime, Abrams said. “Any theory explaining the rise in homicides would also have to explain why we haven’t seen a spike in other kinds of crimes,” he said.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Why should I, when you already have? Did you read past the headlines of your own articles?

Yes I do read past the headlines. Statistically men are on-average stronger than women. That doesn't mean that every man is stronger than every woman. Even if you can find the odd exception, "adding a new police officer to a city prevents between 0.06 and 0.1 homicides". Even more, "Williams and his coauthors find that, in the average city, larger police forces result in Black lives saved at about twice the rate of white lives saved" according to the NPR piece.

Also, not a single one of your examples was shown to have larger police forces, only either an increased budget or a Republican mayor.

Houston

HPD chief says shortage of officers won't 'correct itself overnight'

HPD chief responds to 13 Investigates analysis showing 700 crimes reported at a south Houston apartment in the last 15 months and the shortage of officers.

abc13.com

Nashville

News

News

www.wsmv.com

Tulsa

Editorial: Addressing police shortage now to prevent crisis levels

Shortages of officers are due to several factors. The issue is not solely about pay, although we can't discount that issue, the editorial states.

tulsaworld.com

Fresno

Fresno cops: Staffing shortages, crime wave leave us "drowning"

"This rise in crime only further burdens patrol, creating a cycle that snowballs on itself," Fresno Police Officers Association president Brandon Wiemiller said.

sjvsun.com

Knowing how difficult is has been for big cities to find police officers is why I disagree with GameFace's idea of cutting 1/3rd of the Chicago PD. It would take more than a decade to replace that and whatever you replaced those officers with would be worse because you're hiring from a position of desperation. That is probably why Lightfoot, who hates her PD, isn't proceeding as Mayor GameFace would in her stead.

 

[Gameface]

Yes I do read past the headlines. Statistically men are on-average stronger than women. That doesn't mean that every man is stronger than every woman. Even if you can find the odd exception, "adding a new police officer to a city prevents between 0.06 and 0.1 homicides". Even more, "Williams and his coauthors find that, in the average city, larger police forces result in Black lives saved at about twice the rate of white lives saved" according to the NPR piece.

Also, not a single one of your examples was shown to have larger police forces, only either an increased budget or a Republican mayor.

HPD chief says shortage of officers won't 'correct itself overnight'

HPD chief responds to 13 Investigates analysis showing 700 crimes reported at a south Houston apartment in the last 15 months and the shortage of officers.

abc13.com

News

News

www.wsmv.com

Editorial: Addressing police shortage now to prevent crisis levels

Shortages of officers are due to several factors. The issue is not solely about pay, although we can't discount that issue, the editorial states.

tulsaworld.com

Fresno cops: Staffing shortages, crime wave leave us "drowning"

"This rise in crime only further burdens patrol, creating a cycle that snowballs on itself," Fresno Police Officers Association president Brandon Wiemiller said.

sjvsun.com

Knowing how difficult is has been for big cities to find police officers is why I disagree with GameFace's idea of cutting 1/3rd of the Chicago PD. It would take more than a decade to replace that and whatever you replaced those officers with would be worse because you're hiring from a position of desperation. That is probably why Lightfoot, who hates her PD, isn't proceeding as Mayor GameFace would in her stead.

You would not be cutting the police force by 1/3. I absolutely grantee the majority of them would fold and either follow testing guidelines or provide their positive vaccination status. Sure Florida would give them a $5000 sign-on bonus. Meanwhile they'd have to want to relocate, their partner/family would have to be able and willing to relocate, they'd have to sell their house, etc., and they'd be between jobs for at least a few weeks. It isn't like people who live in Chicago are just going to hop over to Florida like it's nothing.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You would not be cutting the police force by 1/3. I absolutely grantee the majority of them would fold and either follow testing guidelines or provide their positive vaccination status.

I don’t think they’d fold that quickly. Firstly, there is a testing option but it is mandated as twice per week and at the officer’s expense. It is not much of an option to spend half your salary on COVID testing.

It is also against the law in Illinois for police to go on strike. With as unhappy as they are with working conditions, they’d probably strike if they could. Cutting 1/3rd of the police force would be effectively giving them the power to strike. I do not think they’d roll over. Ultimately you could probably get most of the 3,500 to provide vaccine cards but you’d have to give some major concessions to get them to do so. There is a very good chance most of these officers already are vaccinated and are simply refusing to provide documentation in hopes the mayor will do exactly what you said that you’d do.

 

[Rubashov]

So, should the employer violate city ordinances? Because of the union contract?

Well let's look at it this way, as an employer i allow an unvaccinated employee work in violation of health and safety laws. Said employee gets covid then infects another employee who ends up in hospital and his wife or kids get infected by him and they die. In my state in Australia, an employer under the health and safety act would and should go to prison. The think about the compensation and wrongful death law suits

 

[One Brow]

Yes I do read past the headlines. Statistically men are on-average stronger than women.

Statistically, non-homicides are down across the country. If the lack of police is leading to more crime, why has this not been seen in any other category of crime?

Also, why ask for counter-examples if you are not interested in them?

Chicago would be one of those cities in the Midwest with a large black population, the type that doesn't see increased benefits from more police.

 

[gandalfe]

Well let's look at it this way, as an employer i allow an unvaccinated employee work in violation of health and safety laws. Said employee gets covid then infects another employee who ends up in hospital and his wife or kids get infected by him and they die. In my state in Australia, an employer under the health and safety act would and should go to prison. The think about the compensation and wrongful death law suits

Silly Aussies, caring more about people than profits. THAT'S SOCIALISM!!!!