New CBA: Facts and Myths

[freakazoid]

I've noticed a lot of misinformation popping up since the lockout ended, and so I thought it might be a good idea to bust some of the myths, and discuss some of the changes that might benefit Utah in particular. One thing I've heard a lot is that the lockout accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of competetive balance. That's a myth.

I'll post some links later, but first I'd like to start with an interview of Mark Cuban on the Odom trade.

Dan Patrick: Why did the Lakers trade Lamar Odom to of all places…You?

Mark Cuban: You’ll have to ask them

DP: But you have to wonder, saying wait a minute? They are willing to trade Lamar Odom to…us?

MC: Nope, I don’t wonder those things, I say thank you very much and move on.

DP: Who Initiated Lamar Odom coming to the Mavs?

MC: Lamar’s agent.

DP: Called you and said?

MC: Would you be interested?

DP: And you Said?

MC: Yes

DP: I’m trying to think of the end game for the Lakers here…

MC: I think what you are missing, and a lot of people are missing is the new collective bargaining agreement changes everything. It changes how you build a team, how you manage a team, how you maintain a team. All the rules are different. With the Mavericks, in the past if I made a mistake I can fix it by bringing in more money… Now with the current system, once you are in luxury tax territory then there is a lot of inhibitors on how you can improve your team.
DP: But [The Lakers] could have traded Odom to a lot of different places I would think.

MC: The difference is who would just take it without giving any money back?…Being under the cap has a lot more value now…I think it’s impacting the decisions of a lot of teams.
DP: But the Lakers have that TV deal?

MC: That’s not the point it’s not about affording [the luxury tax]. Will having all that revenue allow them to potentially go into the luxury tax when others won’t? Absolutely! There is that risk that they take that chance, but at the same time once you are in luxury tax you have the mini-mid level [exception] instead of the mid-level [exception]. You can’t be a recipient of a sign-and-trade deal once you are in the luxury tax…Your ability to make trades are diminished. All these elements that are different if you are a tax payer.

https://www.am570radio.com/cc-commo...Cuban-12-16-11_Interview_1324063626_14366.mp3

 

[freakazoid]

For those who are interested in educating themselves, I'll be posting links that try to explain the changes from the old CBA. Anything else that might be helpful would also be appreciated.

I've posted this several times on this site already. It's a breakdown of the new CBA vs. the old CBA by Larry Coon.

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

Amnesty details:

https://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/12/06/details-of-amnesty-provision-emerge/

 

[NUMBERICA]

The difference is who would just take it without giving any money back?…Being under the cap has a lot more value now…I think it’s impacting the decisions of a lot of teams.

At least in that respect, that is not different. In fact, you could make an argument that the difference between being over the cap and under the cap is smaller now that salary matching is now 150% (if under the tax as well) instead of 125%.

Some things have shifted, some have improved, but the focus of the owners and the biggest difference now is how much money the owners will be making. I don't think anyone has said that nothing has changed in the CBA with respect to competitive balance, just that most changes are rather negligible, notwithstanding that what the Heat and Knicks have been doing (see also: being fortunate to have the cities they are in) has not been impacted whatsoever.

 

[gregbroncs]

Good thread Freak. Some good info in those articles.

 

[freakazoid]

At least in that respect, that is not different. In fact, you could make an argument that the difference between being over the cap and under the cap is smaller now that salary matching is now 150% (if under the tax as well) instead of 125%.

I think you misundestood what is being said there. Yes, teams do have more flexibility in making trades. What he is saying, is that cap space is more valuable now, and therefore it was difficult for the Lakers to find someone willing to take Odom without giving back salary.

Either that, or maybe you are saying that Cuban is confused and doesn't understand the CBA changes.

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the focus of the owners and the biggest difference now is how much money the owners will be making.

And this is tied directly to competetive balance. The poorer teams will now be hindered less by financial restrictions. That, combined with the new restrictions on teams in the tax, closes the gap from both sides. Obviously the tax limits are a double-edged sword when it comes to how it will affect Utah.

I don't think anyone has said that nothing has changed in the CBA with respect to competitive balance.

I've read it numerous times. Just a cash grab, etc., etc.

just that most changes are rather negligible, notwithstanding that what the Heat and Knicks have been doing (see also: being fortunate to have the cities they are in) has not been impacted whatsoever.

And I disagree with this. Rather than getting into it now, I will continue to bump this thread as articles/info comes out on the new CBA and it's effects on the league.

I will say this. CP3 is not in New York and Billups isn't in Miami. As for locational advantages, I don't think that needs to be addressed at all. Pretty clear that those conditions will exist regardless of ANY CBA.

 

[northeast]

I don't know details of the money, but if I was Cuban I'd have rather have kept Chandler than have gotten 0dom.

 

[Kyoto]

I don't know details of the money, but if I was Cuban I'd have rather have kept Chandler than have gotten 0dom.

I BELIEVE the big reason that Dallas didn't keep Chandler is because they want the books free for next years free agency. They want to be able to go after Dwight Howard and Deron Williams, so they only offered him a 1 year deal and Chandler wanted a multi-year deal. From what I remember is that Cuban offered Chandler a healthy offer for just 1 year but it was still JUST 1 year.

 

[LogGrad98]

Dwight, Deron and Dirk = championship, almost no matter who else you fill in the team with. Wow.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Dwight, Deron and Dirk = championship, almost no matter who else you fill in the team with. Wow.

Yes, just like Lebron, DWade and Bosh won a championship without much support from the other positons and virtually no bench.
I'll admit I'd rather have my superstars be the three "D's" vs. what Miami has, but the team may still be very weak at all other spots.

 

[LogGrad98]

I sure didn't pick Miami to win it all last year, specifically because of who their "Big 3" were. The big 3 have to be able to mesh as well as any others on the team do, and with LBJ and Wade one of them is going to suffer since they BOTH have to have the ball in their hands to perform at their peak. Dirk and Howard would feed off each other, and D Will would handle the ball. That is fundamentally a different dynamic, and one that would be far more effective, IMO.

Drop off Dirk to double Howard and Dirk rains 3's all game. Pick and roll with D Will and Howard, with a potential kick to Dirk. Try to go one on one D against D Will to defend the other 2? We have all seen how that turns out. Solid D and incredible offense all at once. Throw in some solid role players, a few 3 pt threats, and watch the wins roll in. Scary.