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New Draft Express Mock - Exum to #6

kabenac said:
Remember how people freaked out in excitement over Dennis Schroder? I'm not comparing the two players, but it reminds me of the situation Exum is in.
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They freaked out in excitement because Schroder was supposed to declare for the 14' draft instead of the 13' draft. A new prospect who was projected to go in the first round of next years draft declaring for the current one is pretty exciting.
 
You take the best player available unless you have two guys who are equal than you look at team need.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Basically any team with a respectable point guard he won't play for right? I haven't seen or heard the list but I know he likes Orlando and LA which both need PGs.
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"@chadfordinsider: Exum has only scheduled MIL, PHI & ORL. Unlikely to workout below 4 I’m told"


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cowhide said:
Well if I were a Philly fan I would love it too but I am a Jazz fan and that is way too much.
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This
Kanter, burks, and 5 for 3? No thanks
 
fishonjazz said:
This
Kanter, burks, and 5 for 3? No thanks
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Well this is the bias of fans. If you go by what experts are saying it's a 3-4 person draft in tier 1 (depending on where you count Exum) with Embiid being in his own tier. I've read the threads all year about doomsday scenarios where the Jazz aren't in a position for a franchise player, and guess what, that's the position you're in now (hence the Aaron Gordon hate threads here).

The NBA is built on superstars, and your fans have complained about the limited ceiling of your players (no franchise players on your roster). To get a franchise player prospect, there's a premium to be paid. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Exum isn't available at 5 (or if Philly is TREMENDOUSLY high on Vonleh).

So yes, you now rationalize that being in the 5th position and having your choice of tier 2 prospects that there isn't a huge gulf between tier 1 and 2. I'm just telling you that going by consensus, the assets required to move up into tier 1 are higher than what you'd think.

EX: Jazz fans want to give up Kanter (we all know you hate him). Every fanbase outside of the Jazz are looking for Favors.

Now, you can gripe all you want, but at the end of the day the Bucks/Sixers are in a position perfectly content to draft at their spot, with Cleveland perhaps folding to immediate "win now" pressures. The onus is on the Jazz to move up, not the other way around. And it's that type of onus that led to the Sixers getting Noel/10th for Jrue last year.
 
Xeoa said:
Well this is the bias of fans. If you go by what experts are saying it's a 3-4 person draft in tier 1 (depending on where you count Exum) with Embiid being in his own tier. I've read the threads all year about doomsday scenarios where the Jazz aren't in a position for a franchise player, and guess what, that's the position you're in now (hence the Aaron Gordon hate threads here).

The NBA is built on superstars, and your fans have complained about the limited ceiling of your players (no franchise players on your roster). To get a franchise player prospect, there's a premium to be paid. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Exum isn't available at 5 (or if Philly is TREMENDOUSLY high on Vonleh).

So yes, you now rationalize that being in the 5th position and having your choice of tier 2 prospects that there isn't a huge gulf between tier 1 and 2. I'm just telling you that going by consensus, the assets required to move up into tier 1 are higher than what you'd think.

EX: Jazz fans want to give up Kanter (we all know you hate him). Every fanbase outside of the Jazz are looking for Favors.

Now, you can gripe all you want, but at the end of the day the Bucks/Sixers are in a position perfectly content to draft at their spot, with Cleveland perhaps folding to immediate "win now" pressures. The onus is on the Jazz to move up, not the other way around. And it's that type of onus that led to the Sixers getting Noel/10th for Jrue last year.
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I don't think anyone is griping. They're just telling you to stuff it. It's too much to give up for a player in a top tier that, with the possible exception of Embiid, may not actually contain any superstars.
 
Xeoa said:
So yes, you now rationalize that being in the 5th position and having your choice of tier 2 prospects that there isn't a huge gulf between tier 1 and 2. I'm just telling you that going by consensus, the assets required to move up into tier 1 are higher than what you'd think.
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Could you elaborate on the "consensus" part? We may overvalue our players, but you seem to be undervaluing them. I don't recall anyone giving up that much to move up two spots. We're not talking once a decade players in this draft, it's just a stronger draft than the last few years. There are no sure things in this draft, such as a Magic Johnson or Tim Duncan (just examples).
 
Xeoa said:

Sixers/Clippers season ticket holder here.

The Bucks owners have publicly said during fan season ticket holder events that they have Jabari/Embiid as their top 2 prospects. Several reports indicate that their GM has a boner for Exum too, so apparently Wiggins is #4 on their board.

Smart had two workouts with the Magic (only prospect to have that) and was their coveted player last year.

Hopefully that helps inform you guys!

Sidenote: As a Sixers fan, if Wiggins is gone at #3, I'd be receptive to a 3 for 5 swap provided that you include Kanter, Burks, and a future first and provided Exum falls to 5.
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You think it's fair to gut your partner for getting the player you want anyway?
 
Xeoa said:
Well this is the bias of fans. If you go by what experts are saying it's a 3-4 person draft in tier 1 (depending on where you count Exum) with Embiid being in his own tier. I've read the threads all year about doomsday scenarios where the Jazz aren't in a position for a franchise player, and guess what, that's the position you're in now (hence the Aaron Gordon hate threads here).

The NBA is built on superstars, and your fans have complained about the limited ceiling of your players (no franchise players on your roster). To get a franchise player prospect, there's a premium to be paid. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Exum isn't available at 5 (or if Philly is TREMENDOUSLY high on Vonleh).

So yes, you now rationalize that being in the 5th position and having your choice of tier 2 prospects that there isn't a huge gulf between tier 1 and 2. I'm just telling you that going by consensus, the assets required to move up into tier 1 are higher than what you'd think.

EX: Jazz fans want to give up Kanter (we all know you hate him). Every fanbase outside of the Jazz are looking for Favors.

Now, you can gripe all you want, but at the end of the day the Bucks/Sixers are in a position perfectly content to draft at their spot, with Cleveland perhaps folding to immediate "win now" pressures. The onus is on the Jazz to move up, not the other way around. And it's that type of onus that led to the Sixers getting Noel/10th for Jrue last year.
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If you guys covet Favors more than Kanter, I'd happily give you Favors and #5 for #3. Burks AND an additional pick on top of that is steep and you know it.

At any rate, I appreciate the input, and I'm sure everyone else does too.
 
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