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[Joe Bagadonuts]

Lmfao.

The only thing you see happening is the rise in those that don’t practice Christmas.

War on Christmas. Jesus Christ.

I'm not religious, and the religious aspect of celebrating Christmas is not important to me personally. That said, the political pressures to divorce that particular holiday from its origins seem to be obvious. I have seen people who seem to consider it to be a victory any time they prevent a town from hosting a nativity scene, or pressure a retailer to promote "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". I can see why some people are offended by the descriptor "war" but I can also see why other's use it.

If someone said there was currently a War on Columbus or a War on Team Mascots I would say that I can definitely see where they're getting at. It seems obvious to me that there are well-organized groups of people out there who describe their mission as "progressive" and who feel very strongly about the need to scrub language of terms they don't like and history of heroes they don't appreciate. And there is another group of people out there a who wish the first group would leave their stuff alone and go find something more important to worry about. It doesn't surprise me at all that some of the people who feel like they have to protect their traditions see this as a war of sorts.

Edit: I also understand what people mean when they talk about a War on Islam or a War on Immigration. I can see why those who believe they are under attack would describe things that way.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I'm not religious, and the religious aspect of celebrating Christmas is not important to me personally. That said, the political pressures to divorce that particular holiday from its origins seem to be obvious. I have seen people who seem to consider it to be a victory any time they prevent a town from hosting a nativity scene, or pressure a retailer to promote "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". I can see why some people are offended by the descriptor "war" but I can also see why other's use it.

If someone said there was currently a War on Columbus or a War on Team Mascots I would say that I can definitely see where they're getting at. It seems obvious to me that there are well-organized groups of people out there who describe their mission as "progressive" and who feel very strongly about the need to scrub language of terms they don't like and history of heroes they don't appreciate. And there is another group of people out there a who wish the first group would leave their stuff alone and go find something more important to worry about. It doesn't surprise me at all that some of the people who feel like they have to protect their traditions see this as a war of sorts.

Edit: I also understand what people mean when they talk about a War on Islam or a War on Immigration. I can see why those who believe they are under attack would describe things that way.

I think we'd be better off if everyone on this board celebrated Festivus. Can you imagine if we had to wait until December 23 to air all of our grievances? The site would crash.

 

[Zombie]

The political pressure to remove nativity scenes and the like from public settings derives from a little thing called the first amendment. I've never seen or heard of any sort of campaign to pressure private groups or companies from saying merry christmas. I have seen companies decide to be more inclusive during the holiday season, and use happy holidays or other such greetings instead.

I know it can be difficult for christians whenever they feel like they are not being catered to every second of the day, but there are millions of people in this country who practice (or don't) other beliefs, acknowledging their existence during the holiday season is not 'waging war' on anybody.

 

[One Brow]

I have seen people who seem to consider it to be a victory any time they prevent a town from hosting a nativity scene, ...

Any town can host a nativity scene, as long as they allow any other group that wants to put up a holiday tribute to do so at the same time in the same basic space. The issue comes when towns want to put up only a nativity scene, and nothing else.

 

[JAZZGASM]

The political pressure to remove nativity scenes and the like from public settings derives from a little thing called the first amendment. I've never seen or heard of any sort of campaign to pressure private groups or companies from saying merry christmas. I have seen companies decide to be more inclusive during the holiday season, and use happy holidays or other such greetings instead.

I know it can be difficult for christians whenever they feel like they are not being catered to every second of the day, but there are millions of people in this country who practice (or don't) other beliefs, acknowledging their existence during the holiday season is not 'waging war' on anybody.

There isn't even pressure to remove the nativity scenes. This all derives from governments creating a limited forum where they only allow the views of one religion (primarily Christianity). If a government (local or otherwise) wants to create such a forum, they need to keep it open to others. So if you want a nativity scene, it may be next to a pasta monster scene, or an homage to the dark lord Xenu. If a government won't keep an open forum, then they shouldn't have any displays. This goes back to a bedrock of our Constitution, the separation of church and state. Keeping one church from dominating government is one of the reasons for the American Revolution. Utah hasn't quite figured that one out yet.

 

[JazzGal]

The supposed "War on Christmas" is just another attempt at the majority claiming victimhood.

 

[Harambe]

The supposed "War on Christmas" is just another attempt at the majority claiming victimhood.

Aren't you supposed to be on a ten day fast from social media?

 

[framer]

Aren't you supposed to be on a ten day fast from social media?

Many people consider jazzfanz.com anti-social media. . .

 

[Harambe]

Many people consider jazzfanz.com anti-social media. . .

I laughed. I enjoyed this joke.

 

[Stoked]

As for “merry Christmas” not being used. I’ve long supported people or companies saying what they feel.

Imagine that.

 

[JazzGal]

Aren't you supposed to be on a ten day fast from social media?

Not me - I am no longer Mormon so I can waste all the time I want on social media. My FB news feed has gotten less religious lately, though, so I'm appreciating the fasting of others.

 

[Harambe]

Not me - I am no longer Mormon so I can waste all the time I want on social media. My FB news feed has gotten less religious lately, though, so I'm appreciating the fasting of others.

That's ok... Mormon's aren't Mormon either. Just ask them.

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