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stitches said:

It's like I'm watching Royce highlights. They play very similarly and they both have very good size. Lets see if he can stick in the league in a similar way, because Royce will be expensive next year...
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We extend Royce before the season starts. I think they can offer average salary... 9ish M a year over 4 years. Make it a little more team friendly with an option year or make it declining yearly value.
 
I like Kidd but his shot is kind of all over the place. He would hit one then the second would be way the hell off. Not sure his shot is ever good enough.
 
idiot said:
A few thoughts about the situation for the Sefolosha family:

1) I think we're over-reading the quotation if we think the issue lies wholly or even primarily with Thabo's wife's business. That's one possible interpretation of the quotation, but the quotation could be interpreted differently. I think it's just as likely that the problem could be life generally in what they perceived as a too-strongly conservative Mormon culture for their tastes.

2) Though unfortunate for the Jazz (for their image generally, and the fact that most of the most successful lineups last year included Thabo), I sympathize with Thabo and his family. I was raised in Utah, am LDS, and love Utah in a lot of ways, but I'm honestly glad that my life with my non-white wife and daughters hasn't been in Utah, precisely because of the very strong (esp. though not exclusively Mormon-flavored) conservatism there.

3) While it's entirely possible for non-conservatives (non-LDS, non-whites, etc.) to have good experiences in Utah, I'm not surprised when some don't. I certainly don't put the blame on them. There's enough within Utah culture that can cause alienation, and different people have different experiences.

4) This is speculation, but I wonder whether the backlash that Kyle Korver got from about half of Utah's Jazz fans, seemingly, plays into this: when Korver came out with the article arguing (in part based on his experiences with Thabo, among others) that whites need to be more proactive in calling out and trying to understand the racism that people of color face within American society.
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The challenge with Utah, historically, has been that there have been so few people of color and so little cultural variation, that a number of people simply don't know how to react or treat them. In other words, there isn't a hostility towards people of color, but a genuine naivety and inexperience when it comes to people who are different.
 
Catchall said:
The challenge with Utah, historically, has been that there have been so few people of color and so little cultural variation, that a number of people simply don't know how to react or treat them. In other words, there isn't a hostility towards people of color, but a genuine naivety and inexperience when it comes to people who are different.
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I agree with this, as long as you add that a large number of people (hopefully not the majority, but large and vocal enough nonetheless), combine this naivety with a cocksureness that they know the correct way to deal with diversity in race, religion, ideology, etc.

EDIT: hmmm, that's not a bad word, at least not the way I used it
 
Catchall said:
The challenge with Utah, historically, has been that there have been so few people of color and so little cultural variation, that a number of people simply don't know how to react or treat them. In other words, there isn't a hostility towards people of color, but a genuine naivety and inexperience when it comes to people who are different.
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being of the white homogeneous majority, my opinion is not the best here... but having lived in Maryland, SoCal, and Germany, think Thabo's wife may have had as much issue w/ 'US mentality' vs lack of color diversity...
IDK, but in that regard, Utah is 'like 11' on a scale of 1-10, the few people of color only being a portion of that...
 
idiot said:
I agree with this, as long as you add that a large number of people (hopefully not the majority, but large and vocal enough nonetheless), combine this naivety with a ****sureness that they know the correct way to deal with diversity in race, religion, ideology, etc.

EDIT: hmmm, that's not a bad word, at least not the way I used it
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You should have said dicksure, or penissure.

Then you would have been the dick-of-the-walk
 
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