NFL Thread 12-13

[Hotdog]

I don't like defensive players generally because the scoring doesn't always reflect who the best defenders actually are. Also, it seems a little like Kickers in that there is no way of knowing who is actually going to have a good game. Fantasy football in general is very luck driven, but defensive players and kickers seem 10x more luck driven than offensive players.

I have to disagree. Fantasy defensive players often reflect reality. Sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions are all huge plays in a game. Defensive scores are huge too. JJ Watt is a major piece on the Texans and his play has a lot to do with how good the Texans are. Similarly in fantasy he can score a lot of points with all the things he does like sacks and batted down passes. There are many more examples too.


As far as kickers go, that takes some skill as well. You have to know who kicks a lot of field goals, and who will be good enough to be in position to score a lot. It just adds another aspect to the draft.

I dont really care for punters but it takes some skill in guessing who punts a lot I guess and which ones are good at pinning the defenses.

Im not really sure what you mean by luck. The only thing I can think of is the example of Darrelle Revis. He is so good that plays never go his way so he doesnt score much. Its not perfect, but neither is the offense. There are flaws in that as well. Fantasy football doesn't know if a running back has good 3rd down pass protection.


Ill let you sleep on it then I will ask again.

 

[UGLI baby]

I have to disagree. Fantasy defensive players often reflect reality. Sacks, forced fumbles, and interceptions are all huge plays in a game. Defensive scores are huge too. JJ Watt is a major piece on the Texans and his play has a lot to do with how good the Texans are. Similarly in fantasy he can score a lot of points with all the things he does like sacks and batted down passes. There are many more examples too.


As far as kickers go, that takes some skill as well. You have to know who kicks a lot of field goals, and who will be good enough to be in position to score a lot. It just adds another aspect to the draft.

I dont really care for punters but it takes some skill in guessing who punts a lot I guess and which ones are good at pinning the defenses.

Im not really sure what you mean by luck. The only thing I can think of is the example of Darrelle Revis. He is so good that plays never go his way so he doesnt score much. Its not perfect, but neither is the offense. There are flaws in that as well. Fantasy football doesn't know if a running back has good 3rd down pass protection.


Ill let you sleep on it then I will ask again.

I'll have to look into the defensive player thing. I don't really think you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying Defensive players aren't important in football, I'm saying the best defensive players aren't the best fantasy players usually and I think that's dumb.

I would never ever play in a league with punters. That's tarded. In fact I'd lobby against having kickers altogether.

 

[Hotdog]

I'll have to look into the defensive player thing. I don't really think you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying Defensive players aren't important in football, I'm saying the best defensive players aren't the best fantasy players usually and I think that's dumb.

I would never ever play in a league with punters. That's tarded. In fact I'd lobby against having kickers altogether.

I really wouldnt care about kickers either. But I think that the best defensive can shine if you construct it right. Just think about it. Look at the scoring options.

 

[UGLI baby]

I really wouldnt care about kickers either. But I think that the best defensive can shine if you construct it right. Just think about it. Look at the scoring options.

Ya, I'm sure we can come up with something. What would you think about having IDP but no team defense? Or is that what you already do?

 

[UGLI baby]

Also, How would you feel about doing a straight up Dynasty? Like, instead of a certain amount of keepers you keep your team every year and develop through the draft, trades, and FA. I think it could work especially if we are doing defenders too.

 

[Hotdog]

Ya, I'm sure we can come up with something. What would you think about having IDP but no team defense? Or is that what you already do?

Its all IDP no team defense. We use coaches though. Which is basically going off wins and point differentials. I really like the coaches.

 

[Hotdog]

Also, How would you feel about doing a straight up Dynasty? Like, instead of a certain amount of keepers you keep your team every year and develop through the draft, trades, and FA. I think it could work especially if we are doing defenders too.

I would be down, but Im not sure how that would go with people who create bad teams. Do they just quit after the first year. Maybe you could set it up so people pay for 3 years or something. But then again. I guess it might not be that hard to rebuild.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Agree. Start Wilson and Cobb.

I'd be down with a dynasty and think we should have to pay two years up front...50 per so 100...

For me personally though, I am not doing a 10 team draft (teams are too stacked), only 12, and will not do individual players on defense as I've never done that before and am not screwing up my dynasty by not strategically drafting wisely.

 

[fatchipper]

For me personally though, I am not doing a 10 team draft (teams are too stacked), only 12, and will not do individual players on defense as I've never done that before and am not screwing up my dynasty by not strategically drafting wisely.

I'm in an IDP league (1st place, 12-2 going into the playoffs) and I don't have a single player left on my defense that I drafted at the beginning of the year. IDP leagues are soooo much better than just picking a defense, which is extremely lazy as well, but there's no strategy to drafting defensive players.

 

[Hotdog]

I'm in an IDP league (1st place, 12-2 going into the playoffs) and I don't have a single player left on my defense that I drafted at the beginning of the year. IDP leagues are soooo much better than just picking a defense, which is extremely lazy as well, but there's no strategy to drafting defensive players.

What? That's wrong. There is a strategy to picking defensive players. It must be your scoring system. You gotta put heavy emphasis on sacks, and interceptions. Those arent lucky categories to fill. The best defensive players get those. Sack and interceptions are huge plays in a game. Then there is forced fumbles, passes batted down,tackles, and tackles for losses. Again, the better players make those things happen. The better defenders definitely stand out if you score it right.

And besides all that, thats how real life is. Sometimes there are lucky plays. Like a defensive score off of a screwy play. Those things have a huge impact on real games. Why not make it more life like? It allows people to build a good team with a dominate defense if they arent the best offensively.

Its way more fun to play with defensive players.

 

[UGLI baby]

I would be down, but Im not sure how that would go with people who create bad teams. Do they just quit after the first year. Maybe you could set it up so people pay for 3 years or something. But then again. I guess it might not be that hard to rebuild.

Agree. Start Wilson and Cobb.

I'd be down with a dynasty and think we should have to pay two years up front...50 per so 100...

For me personally though, I am not doing a 10 team draft (teams are too stacked), only 12, and will not do individual players on defense as I've never done that before and am not screwing up my dynasty by not strategically drafting wisely.

Ya, we'd have t have people pay for a few years up front. I think it would have to be 3 years, not just 2 and we would only want very experienced fantasy football players.

I think IDP would be fun if we could figure out a scoring system that could make it work. @Hack, I don't know if I've told you this, but I'm in a league right now that uses IDP and I feel like it adds zero excitement, fun, or strategy to the league. I have JJ Watt on my team also, so it's not like I'm just saying that because I have sucky guys. We can look into it and see if we can figure something out though.

 

[UGLI baby]

I'm in an IDP league (1st place, 12-2 going into the playoffs) and I don't have a single player left on my defense that I drafted at the beginning of the year. IDP leagues are soooo much better than just picking a defense, which is extremely lazy as well, but there's no strategy to drafting defensive players.

Agreed on the lack of strategy with IDP. I also think team D/ST is dumb in fantasy. I'm in an IDP league right now, but we still have team D/ST as well, which I don't like.

We're putting together a Dynasty league on jazzfanz for next year. You interested?